When Islam infiltrates the US

[dennishoddy]

You're blathering and making zero sense. Go back to yelling at the TV while Fox News is on.

Blaming refugees, bashing England (one of few actual allies we have left in the world), and labeling everyone who doesn't agree with your myopic non-solution to a multi-generational issue as "libs" and "RINOs" is doing squat.

There is a problem with Muslim extremism in the world. I'm not smart enough to fix it but I know attacking, ridiculing, mocking, and minimalizing an entire religion that encompasses 25% of the world's population, one fourth, isn't going to fix it. Posting cute memes with goats and bearded men isn't either.

Keeping out a few refugees isn't either. It might help reduce a support base for anyone who is prone to radicalization but it's a drop in the bucket in terms of the bigger picture.

We can't wall ourselves off. Two oceans aren't enough to protect us. We have to learn to live and thrive in a world that is increasingly not white, or Christian.

I'll not trade personal insults and apologize for the one i threw out earlier.
It's the muslim refugees and their spore that are causing the issue's in the EU. Do you yell at the tv? Thats weird, why would you accuse someone of doing that if you're not personally associated with them? Have we met?
England and their ilk need to be bashed for their stupid actions that are coming back to haunt them. Stupid decisions result in stupid results. They are living the nightmare right now, and have nobody but themselves to blame.
Then they want the allies to help them. Yes we have bases and personnel all over europe and you know as well as I do that they are just a delaying action to keep them from our shores. Their military resources pale to the aggressors confronting them. I've said it in another post, hell maybe this thread that said since they disarm their police and their populace, they deserve what they get.
You agree with their ideology or disagree?

 

[dennishoddy]

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Gee, thanks for accepting my answer, Trebek. I'm gonna ask this one more time then I've gotta pick this up tomorrow. How do you deal with the MUSLIM TERRORISTS that are born and radicalized here when those are the majority that have attacked us? All yall have come up with so far is
"wE DoN nEEd MoR reF-yOO-jEez"

wrong.

 

[dennishoddy]

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Gee, thanks for accepting my answer, Trebek. I'm gonna ask this one more time then I've gotta pick this up tomorrow. How do you deal with the MUSLIM TERRORISTS that are born and radicalized here when those are the majority that have attacked us? All yall have come up with so far is
"wE DoN nEEd MoR reF-yOO-jEez"

I see you didn't read the US naturalization and Immigration laws I posted.

 

[YukonGlocker]

You're blathering and making zero sense. Go back to yelling at the TV while Fox News is on.

Blaming refugees, bashing England (one of few actual allies we have left in the world), and labeling everyone who doesn't agree with your myopic non-solution to a multi-generational issue as "libs" and "RINOs" is doing squat.

There is a problem with Muslim extremism in the world. I'm not smart enough to fix it but I know attacking, ridiculing, mocking, and minimalizing an entire complex religion that encompasses 25% of the world's population, one fourth, isn't going to fix it. Posting cute memes with goats and bearded men isn't either.

Keeping out a few refugees isn't either. It might help reduce a support base for anyone who is prone to radicalization but it's a drop in the bucket in terms of the bigger picture. Immigration should be controlled, yes, but in a rational, reasoned and purposeful manner and everyone should be properly vetted.

We can't wall ourselves off. Two oceans aren't enough to protect us. We have to learn to live and thrive in a world that is increasingly not white, or Christian.

well said

 

[Frederick]

You're blathering and making zero sense. Go back to yelling at the TV while Fox News is on.

Go back to yelling at MSNBC while they complain about how the evil conservatives are slaughtering people on the streets of London. If you think the moderate muslims these ****ers were chilling out with weren't sympathetic to the cause of Osama bin Laden you better take a better look at the poll numbers i posted earlier.

If only we didn't insult Muhammed and Islam, 9/11 wouldn't have happened! we just need more policies of equality and the terrorists will forgive us for all of America's evil transgressions against their religion of peace.

Blaming refugees, bashing England (one of few actual allies we have left in the world), and labeling everyone who doesn't agree with your myopic non-solution to a multi-generational issue as "libs" and "RINOs" is doing squat.

No one is blaming refugees. People are blaming Islam for propogating ideas that are not compatible with western democratic ideals such as not stoning someone to death for adultery. What we're saying is that importing people from a dangerous region where the vast majority of people believe that shariah law should be the law of the land is a bad idea.

There is a problem with Muslim extremism in the world. I'm not smart enough to fix it but I know attacking, ridiculing, mocking, and minimalizing an entire complex religion that encompasses 25% of the world's population, one fourth, isn't going to fix it. Posting cute memes with goats and bearded men isn't either.

Stop treating Islam like it's some sort of permanent state of mind. People mock Islam, because it deserves mocking. The sort of behaviour that has been committed in it's name over the last few decades is long and horrific. Certainly there are individuals everywhere that do horrible things. But with Islam it's systemic and ingrained.

Keeping out a few refugees isn't either. It might help reduce a support base for anyone who is prone to radicalization but it's a drop in the bucket in terms of the bigger picture. Immigration should be controlled, yes, but in a rational, reasoned and purposeful manner and everyone should be properly vetted.

you can't vette what's in someones head. By 'rational, reasoned and purposeful' you mean letting in potentially dangerous foreign ideologies. Why not chinese or european immigrants? There aren't too many people outside of the Muslim region of China that go around flying planes into buildings.

We can't wall ourselves off. Two oceans aren't enough to protect us. We have to learn to live and thrive in a world that is increasingly not white, or Christian.

Here we go with that ******** race politics ****.

What you really mean to say is that you want a world that is increasingly not White or Christian, because you have some sort of stupendously misguided and idealistic view of what an America full of Muslims would look like.

I guarantee you import a couple million of these guys from the middle east and you'll see not only more terrorist attacks but maybe homosexuality will be outlawed, too. that's the folly of this whole grand scheme. I don't have a problem with people, their race or their religion(which by the way are two separate, distinct things.) I have a problem with importing people from countries where these backwards ideas are acceptable.

White christians, and more importantly, christians of every race will continue to Exist in America, and importing your millions of muslims for your social experiments are only going to cause security problems for all of us.

Islam is not a ****ing race. It's not even the religion that i have a problem with inherently, it's the ideology of that religion and the culture behind it.

If you want your rainbow **** bowl then move to ****ing Saudi Arabia or Syria, don't try to import what's going on in Europe here. There's a reason Europe has been getting harder than us lately, and that most of our terrorist attacks are home grown. It's because we don't import millions of ISIS 'refugees' of about male fighting age into our country. Germany was talking about vetting, too. But that didn't stop Paris or the Christmas market stabbing.


America has like 1.2% Muslim population already. Nothing is going to happen to them. But, after all , you yourself admit there is a problem with islamic extremism. Why take the risk when we can preemptively protect ourselves from it by choosing to fill our immigrant quotas from less unstable places like Asia or Europe?

It's not just a religious issue, it's a cultural one.

And it has NOTHING to do with ****ing race, at all. There are a couple cracker converts to islam that have done some ****, too. This whole tripping over yourself to connect it to racism **** is just dumb.

 

[sanjuro893]

Answer my question first, and I'll answer yours.

Still waiting. You promised me an answer on HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

I see you didn't read the US naturalization and Immigration laws I posted.

I've read it three times now. Trump's travel ban takes care of just shy of 20% of U.S. terrorism. What about the other 80%? What is your plan to deal with the vast majority of terrorists that are born here and radicalized later? We've established that they're muslims, then you accused me of not reading a post on immigration and posted the word "wrong." You asked me to answer to your standards and I obliged, your turn.

 

[SMS]

I'll keep posting this in hopes of getting some kind of intelligent debate going. Everyone talking about "Muslims" being the problem should read it. It's only 23 pages or so.

https://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Atlas-ExecutiveReport.pdf

Muslims, Islamists, Salifis, and Jihadists. Seperate constituent groups with different dynamics, spheres of influence and motivations.

They aren't going away. They are having more babies than us.

Where do we start? Calling them goat f-ers and isolating our selves from them absolutely will not work in the long term.

 

[John6185]

We have to ask ourselves did we have this "Muslim problem" some years back and when did we start having the problem? I personally believe that Bush started it and Obama exacerbated the problem with his open borders directives that very few in congress challenged. So, I blame Bush some and Obama a great deal for the Muslim problems not only in the US but throughout the world. And a weak, weak congress that couldn't stand up to Obama and the Democrats that supported Obama.
We have to also ask ourselves if congress is actually serving us or themselves. And, if Maxine Waters is an example of what we have working for us in congress are we really safe.

 

[Snake]

I'll keep posting this in hopes of getting some kind of intelligent debate going. Everyone talking about "Muslims" being the problem should read it. It's only 23 pages or so.

https://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Atlas-ExecutiveReport.pdf

Muslims, Islamists, Salifis, and Jihadists. Seperate constituent groups with different dynamics, spheres of influence and motivations.

They aren't going away. They are having more babies than us.

Where do we start? Calling them goat f-ers and isolating our selves from them absolutely will not work in the long term.

So what's your solution?

 

[SMS]

I stated openly that I don't have the answers, but I do know what isn't going to work.