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I, for one, would love to see TristanJay, join the military in a combat Arms field. Do 4 years, and then hear his opinions of the VA system.

TJ certainly has an opinion now, but it lacks perspective and personal experience to what service members go through. Having a uncle or cousin that served, doesn't even come close to give one that perspective.

I Grant you that, but I have dealt with the VA before when I was helping my grandfather fill out his paperwork for VA benefits. He was trying to get an increase in benefits in connection with a brain issue that is a known side effect of radiation poisoning. He was in close vicinity to nuclear testing during his service in the army. Castle bravo I think it was.

Anyway, it's a complete beauracratic nightmare and is a pain in the ass to just get the benefits you've earned as a serviceman with a connected disability.

I feel the VA system in a lot of places is lacking, even where it exists. Privatizing VA delivery would give more options to our veterans.

I'm not opposed to joining and infact attempted to do so, before being temporarily denied a waiver for health reasons. I can reapply in a year so you may very well get your wish. My brother is currently in the army, and I'd like to join him at some point, just as my father, grandfather, great grandfather and so on have done since the revolution.
 

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"VA Healthcare has bought and paid for that care with their service to this country. "

Sounds like an entitlement to me.

I Grant you that, but I have dealt with the VA before when I was helping my grandfather fill out his paperwork for VA benefits. He was trying to get an increase in benefits in connection with a brain issue that is a known side effect of radiation poisoning. He was in close vicinity to nuclear testing during his service in the army. Castle bravo I think it was.

Anyway, it's a complete beauracratic nightmare and is a pain in the ass to just get the benefits you've earned as a serviceman with a connected disability.

I feel the VA system in a lot of places is lacking, even where it exists. Privatizing VA delivery would give more options to our veterans.

I'm not opposed to joining and infact attempted to do so, before being temporarily denied a waiver for health reasons. I can reapply in a year so you may very well get your wish. My brother is currently in the army, and I'd like to join him at some point, just as my father, grandfather, great grandfather and so on have done since the revolution.


Talking out of both ends, I see.
 

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I think that's just semantics, my meaning was that in a free society an individual has a right to his or her opinion. I don't feel that military service should be a precondition to being able to have an opinion on public policy matters.

You're arguing that the distinction between a democracy and a Constitutional Republic is just "semantics"? What that tells me is that you want an equal opinion, not just an opinion. Something tells me the distinction is lost on you though.
 

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That's an odd way to work a democracy if I've ever heard one. Have you ever seen the movie "starship troopers?"

Soldiers and other servicemen are public servants.

In Starship Troopers citizenship is earned through Military Service. I happen to believe that this is a very good concept.


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In Starship Troopers citizenship is earned through Military Service. I happen to believe that this is a very good concept.


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I tend to agree, but our professional army is much better than the draftee army we had prior to Vietnam and Reagan. More effective, higher morale and competence. A draft may be necessary in the future if an unlikely extreme war occurs, but our professional soldiers are generally better than a draftee.

Plus getting into the army these days is not an easy task. It's not like the Vietnam era when anyone who walked or breathed could get in. A lot of folks are turned down. So where does that leave those who simply don't qualify for military service? Second class citizenship?
 

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I tend to agree, but our professional army is much better than the draftee army we had prior to Vietnam and Reagan. More effective, higher morale and competence. A draft may be necessary in the future if an unlikely extreme war occurs, but our professional soldiers are generally better than a draftee.

Plus getting into the army these days is not an easy task. It's not like the Vietnam era when anyone who walked or breathed could get in. A lot of folks are turned down. So where does that leave those who simply don't qualify for military service? Second class citizenship?

I believe their should be ways of fulfilling useful volunteer service other than the Military that could suffice. However, people should have some skin in the game such as Property, Business Ownership, Wage Earning Taxpayers etc. Also remember Benjamin Franklin, “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!” We are seeing this warning taking shape with an increasing percentage of those demanding money, services (like free healthcare), property and goods based on the concept that all these things are human rights. Humans have no more right to DEMAND (for the price of a vote) that other humans supply their needs than squirrels have to demand the same from other squirrels. All people do have the right to work. Honest employment should also include disability insurance if people become incapacitated. Also, there is nothing wrong with charity, but money taken by force of government without voluntary consent of those it belongs to, even for a good purpose, isn’t charity: it is extortion. That’s my two cents....


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Plus getting into the army these days is not an easy task. It's not like the Vietnam era when anyone who walked or breathed could get in. A lot of folks are turned down. So where does that leave those who simply don't qualify for military service? Second class citizenship?

It leads to citizenship. There is no first or second class citizenship. Someone has to stay home and keep the home fires burning, earn a living and pay taxes that support the military. That is just as important as serving in the military. The military is left without a cause if there is no one home to protect.

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It leads to citizenship. There is no first or second class citizenship. Someone has to stay home and keep the home fires burning, earn a living and pay taxes that support the military. That is just as important as serving in the military. The military is left without a cause if there is no one home to protect.

Woody

That's why I oppose women in the military, amongst other things. I think every male 18-49 should be in the national guard if physically capable.
 

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