Poll, Should Teachers Carry?

[CHenry]

Yessir and it appears you don't think it will do any good.
You didn't offer any solution and said not many kids are dying. Then you mentioned drug issues.
I see where you say 1 loss is a tragedy but it seems you discount that when you start talkin numbers. Maybe I'm the guy who doesn't understand your lingo? Lol

screw it then. Carry on with this witch hunt BS.

 

[rawhide]

Very true, problem is that people who are good educators have realized that the lack of pay raises, lack of support from home, lack of funding making it to the classroom, lack of support from local/state/federal law enforcement in matters dealing with students/parents, lack of support from administration, have been leaving the education field and getting into the private sector. To compound the problem many would be good educators have been run off from the idea of educating for the same reasons.

Teachers and educators don't get the respect that once was given and earned. Teachers and educators are lumped into the same group as bad and ineffective even though they are not. It is unfortunate that this has become the norm in America but in reality it is the students and parents who are ineffective.

Bashing teachers and educators for wanting a raise and better working environment is crazy. I would venture to say there are many LEO who would love a raise and better working environment.

If a teacher is allowed to carry at school, and so chooses to, an equivalent of pay of what a LEO makes for working off duty events should be paid to said teachers since all LEO do is stand around and talk in the schools they work in (another generalization). I'm sure many teachers would be happy to make 20+ dollars an hour x 8 hrs=160 a day to provide extra security to the students. Oh yeah, teachers would also be protecting themselves in these shootings. Teachers want to go home to their families at night too.

Now back to the topic at hand, the poll is probably pissing people off!

I agree with most of this except for the extra pay. While I'm not opposed to extra pay and extra duty has always included extra pay, I'm opposed to the requirement of being a campus cop as a condition of being armed on campus. Some laws from other states I looked at last week even specify that an armed teacher is not law enforcement. ConstitutionCowboy sums it up pretty well.

Oh, and this isn't about teacher pay. It's about unharnessing teachers so they may be able to exercise their right to bear arms in the common sense need to protect themselves and in their self-evident duty to protect those in their guardianship.

Seems quite simple to me.

Woody

 

[rawhide]

Some links with very good information on the topic by and about people that specialize in training teachers to be armed.
Faster Save Lives
FSL Youtube Channel
Videos I recommend:

 

[TerryMiller]

It may not be a popular stance but I dont think arming teachers/staff is the answer to the problem.

Well, this is how your statement started...

...you stated, "I don't think arming teachers/staff is the answer to the problem."

Looks pretty clear to me that you said that arming them wasn't an answer.

 

[CHenry]

Well, this is how your statement started...

...you stated, "I don't think arming teachers/staff is the answer to the problem."

Looks pretty clear to me that you said that arming them wasn't an answer.

It's not. And it wont change a thing overall.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

It's not. And it wont change a thing overall.

Oh, except to stop a mass murder in progress. It may be a minor change in your eyes, but it would be a good thing.

I know it would have a negative effect on the body counts liberals need to further their disarmament goal through emotion, but these are our kids being forfeited. Pardon me and the rest of us if we would like our kids to live through their informative years.

Woody


Litany of blue, profane, and derogatory language expressing truly felt emotions withheld for the protection of our children and the tender of ear.

 

[CHenry]

It may help, it wont stop school shootings. Considering a good many "school shootings" are suicide in the parking lot.
My original point was, the math says this is not the real issue.
I'm gonna bet your pro choice on abortion too.
Oh the hypocrisy! lmao

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

It may help, it wont stop school shootings. Considering a good many "school shootings" are suicide in the parking lot.
My original point was, the math says this is not the real issue.
I'm gonna bet your pro choice on abortion too.
Oh the hypocrisy! lmao

You're confusing "stop" with "prevent". I'm not talking suicide, I'm talking murder. It's not about numbers, it's about saving lives. I'm prolife - even in cases of rape, "saving" the mother's life, etc., etc.

Woody

 

[Okie4570]

It may help, it wont stop school shootings. Considering a good many "school shootings" are suicide in the parking lot.
My original point was, the math says this is not the real issue.
I'm gonna bet your pro choice on abortion too.
Oh the hypocrisy! lmao

We all agree there are many issues that cause a kid to walk into/shoot his way into a school and kill students. What policy can you implement TODAY that will give you the greatest chance at stopping an armed person at the front door of school who means harm, TODAY, tomorrow, next week, six months?

Why should a teacher wait on society to rehab the monsters? We do need to rehab the monsters, catch them early, but there will always be some that slip through the cracks, or in Cruz's case, drive a bulldozer through the cracks while everyone else looks the other way. I want my kid's teachers ready for the ones who've slipped through rehabilitation.

You're saying that teachers must wait on society to hehab them, and if they attack the school, teachers shouldn't protect themselves and their students, someone's children, with a gun...........but if a teacher is attacked at home, well that's perfectly fine shoot the perp in the face........ridiculous thinking at best.

By your thinking, we should just ban and confiscate all guns now, because we should just really be working on evil in this world. You know, sending folks to church, etc. Until then, there will be evil people show up still, but you'll just have to deal with them until we get them all rehabilitated............So CHenry, will you be willing to lay down your arms today and wait for our society to become safer, and not defend yourself with a gun if need be?

 

[CHenry]

You're saying that teachers must wait on society to hehab them, and if they attack the school, teachers shouldn't protect themselves and their students, someone's children, with a gun...........but if a teacher is attacked at home, well that's perfectly fine shoot the perp in the face........ridiculous thinking at best.

Why are you people constantly putting words in my mouth? I'm not against arming teachers n staff. I'm all for arming EVERY MFer who wants a gun.
All I said is, it wont stop.
I also never claimed to have the answer. Now did I?
You seem to think this is the end all be all solution and I'm telling you, my opinion is, it is not. If a kid cant get a gun in the school, youll see em bringin pipe bombs or some other crazy chit next. We cant stop evil. Thousands of years of trying should be your fist clue.
Dont read more into it than it is.