Why oscn has not changed what knives can and cant be carried

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John Phillips

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So a friend was told if he got caught carry an OTF again he would be arrested. That caused me to look up the law for him to show him that is legal to carry it. That caused me to notice that bowie, cane swords, dirk and daggers are still illegal. I could have sworn those along with any auto knife was now legal to carry. Please help me understand why the law is not changed on OSCN.NET.
What about a boot carry. 3.5 inch blade? Always carried one when I was on the job. I have my CCW and going to work in private security sector
 

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Hmm, the OSCN link contains the following language:

This Statute Will Go Into Effect
On: 11/01/2018


So are OTF knives illegal till then? I had thought they were legal now. My head is swimming.
 

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For 25 years on the job I carried a boot knife from Smith and Wesson with 3.5 inch blade. I have a CCW here in Oklahoma. I have read the knife statute and it remains very vague. I never went to work without a knife. And yes, in addition to my duty weapon I carried a front pocket BUG. Might seem like some over kill but try working in the LA area. It got so bad that in addition to our shot guns we carried M-16's in the trunk. Used to be Sergeants only carried the long guns but that changed. I still have the picture of the North Hollywood bank robbery in my head. Officers were going to gun stores to obtain long guns. We were way over matched. We might as well have been shooting those two guys with ping pong balls
 

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The only change in the revised statute that will go into effect on 11/01/18 is the removal of "billy" from the list of weapons in Sec. A that a person is not allowed to carry on their person or in a purse; etc. Fixed blade and OTF knives remain legal to carry. (As will billy clubs as of 11/01/18.)

Here's the link to the revised statute that will go into effect 11/01/18:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69740
 

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I couldn't find anywhere in the superseded statutes where a collapsible (or regular) baton was specifically forbidden to be carried on ones person and then it was deleted from the later statute(s) similar to OTF knives - so my personal opinion is a collapsible baton would be considered an "other offensive weapon" and therefore prohibited from carry. The other side of that argument is that they allow sword canes now, so why not an ASP? Keep in mind I'm not an attorney, though.
 

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I have had similar run-ins over the taillights on my truck. While they are 100% legal, some departments think they are not. I have a copy of the appropriate statute with me and I VERY POLITELY let them know that I have researched the issue and that I have found the applicable statue and ask if I may show them a copy. I say nothing else and just let them read for themselves. Problem solved every time so far. (Only once did the officer get huffy, although he still had to agree they are legal. Every other officer apologized and I went on my way)

NOTE: This is my experience, it is not advice and your mileage may vary.

What is it about your tail lights that attract their attention?
 

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What is it about your tail lights that attract their attention?

The truck has a roll-pan in place of the rear bumper and the tail lights were relocated there. The original taillights were disconnected and covered with only a cutout for the reverse lights.

This is a pic of it right after someone ran into me in a parking lot. :-( (And the officer that came out then didn't say a word about it)

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The truck has a roll-pan in place of the rear bumper and the tail lights were relocated there. The original taillights were disconnected and covered with only a cutout for the reverse lights.

This is a pic of it right after someone ran into me in a parking lot. :-( (And the officer that came out then didn't say a word about it)

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If it happened in a parking lot I’m surprised the officer came out at all.

Just me, but with the people driving around with their noses buried in their phones, I’d want all of my rear lights as big and bright as I could get them.

I can’t tell from the picture, but what is the height of those lights?

Is this the statute you mentioned earlier?

Title 47 - Motor Vehicles
§ 47-12-204 - Tail Lamps.
A. Every motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer and pole trailer, and any vehicle which is being drawn at the end of a combination of vehicles, shall be equipped with at least two tail lamps mounted on the rear, on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable which, when lighted, shall emit a red light visible from a distance of one thousand (1,000) feet to the rear; provided that, in the case of a combination of vehicles, only the tail lamp on the rearmost vehicle need actually be seen from the distance specified.

B. Every tail lamp upon every vehicle shall be located at a height of not more than seventy-two (72) inches nor less than fifteen (15) inches.

C. Any tail lamps shall be lighted whenever the clearance lamps and:

1. Headlamps;

2. Combination of headlamps and auxiliary driving lamps, as defined in Section 12-217 of this title; or

3. Fog lamps, as defined in Section 12-217 of this title,

are lighted.

Added by Laws 1961, p. 394, § 12-204. Amended by Laws 2003, c. 411, § 24, eff. Nov. 1, 2003.
 
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