New Mexico Muslim Compound

[rc508pir]

I read your comment as "FBI wasn't even watching." FBI was watching, but had no access to the information about the training going on. That's because they didn't have a warrant to go in, because they didn't have probable cause. The tip about abuse gave the PC to go in.

<sigh>I hate that I'm about to do this, but putting on my pro-freedom lawyer hat...
This is sometimes the price of freedom. Freedom is not certified safe; it necessarily entails a certain amount of risk to tie the hands of law enforcement by not allowing them to go in absent a warrant. Sure, it sounds suspicious after the fact, but, as the story outright says:
I daresay there are at least a few people on this very forum who could come awfully close to this, as well as a few who know somebody like this. Do we want the FBI charging in every time somebody sets up an "off-grid compound" and does a lot of shooting?

Sometimes, the price of freedom is the danger that someone will use it to hurt us. I maintain that the alternative is worse. My original comment (before I finished reading the story) referred to "Famous But Incompetent," and suggested deliberate ignorance, but I don't think that's the case here. As soon as PC was established--by serendipity, as is often the case--law enforcement went in and got the goods, but I don't think this is like the Florida shooting where the threat was clearly established and FBI, et al., ignored it. Based solely on the story, I think the FBI was doing things right.

Lawyer hat off: I'm very grateful that the tip did come out, and that this was stopped before it could start. Hopefully, there will be incriminating evidence that can be used to establish PC against other cells and stop them as well; that will be the real test of the FBI's diligence.

OK well, the FBI is tap dancing to cover their asses. Last week when the story broke, the FBI had no clue. At least that's what they stated

 

[Dave70968]

OK well, the FBI is tap dancing to cover their asses. Last week when the story broke, the FBI had no clue. At least that's what they stated

The original post is the first I heard of it. If you can show me earlier stories, I'll gladly reconsider my opinion. As I said, my first post was to call them "Famous But Incompetent." I think that's true of them; I just haven't seen that with regard to this incident, but I'm certainly open to having my mind changed.

 

[Fyrtwuck]

Wasn’t it said earlier that shots had been heard there? I don’t think it’s uncommon for PD to be called to see why and check it out. While there, wouldn’t anything in plain sight be PC and admissible?

 

[caojyn]

Wasn’t it said earlier that shots had been heard there? I don’t think it’s uncommon for PD to be called to see why and check it out. While there, wouldn’t anything in plain sight be PC and admissible?

The overhead shot makes the place look pretty secluded, I bet it's pretty uncommon round those parts. I mean what's the point of living on an acreage "off grid" if you can't shoot

 

[Dave70968]

The overhead shot makes the place look pretty secluded, I bet it's pretty uncommon round those parts. I mean what's the point of living on an acreage "off grid" if you can't shoot

This. If shooting isn't illegal, "shots fired" aren't PC for anything. Law enforcement is free to knock on the front door (which appears to be in the fence), but has no power to go beyond it without more absent an invitation, which I suspect the people knew better than to extend. Yes, anything they saw in plain sight is admissible, and can be PC of more if it supports a finding of a crime, but that's a high bar to clear out in the middle of nowhere. Guns, junk/trash, buildings in poor repair...out in the sticks, not illegal.

 

[caojyn]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox8.c...-compound-in-tiny-off-the-grid-community/amp/
I found this,

Sounds like it was a sort of off the grid neighborhood made of 10 acre plots.
The neighbor that heard the gunfire said he wasn’t concerned or surprised by it.

 

[MacFromOK]

Yeah... the oft reported (and sensationalized) x number of firearms and ammunition really chaps my hide. No amount of either is illegal. :/

 

[Dave70968]

Yeah... the oft reported (and sensationalized) x number of firearms and ammunition really chaps my hide. No amount of either is illegal. :/

Remember that the Daily Mail is a British rag; even if they were aware that we don't have such limits, it's something that would be noteworthy to British readers.

(It's entirely possible that they don't know; think about how many New Yorkers are amazed to learn we don't register guns here in Free America.)

 

[MacFromOK]

Remember that the Daily Mail is a British rag; even if they were aware that we don't have such limits, it's something that would be noteworthy to British readers.

(It's entirely possible that they don't know; think about how many New Yorkers are amazed to learn we don't register guns here in Free America.)

Understood, but I see the same thing on our local news.

They act like it's the end of the world if a guy has a half dozen firearms and a couple hundred rounds of ammo. :/

 

[Dave70968]

Understood, but I see the same thing on our local news.

They act like it's the end of the world if a guy has a half dozen firearms and a couple hundred rounds of ammo. :/

To many of them, it probably is. A lot of them don't inhabit the same world we do; hell, I know Okies who think guns are registered here.

Same planet, different worlds.