Kyler Murray expected to enter NFL draft

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You are obviously an objective person, LMAO! What I am clearly saying is it’s early! VERY EARLY in young Bakers career I think he will be a success but one year does not make him a legendary QB. We’ve seen many QB’s have a good year or two and then poof they are gone. Baker could be one of the greats, but after a year in the league Its to early to put him in the same class as Brett Favre, Dan Marino, John Elway, Peyton Manning , Joe Montana, etc.
Baker made the transition into the NFL without skipping a beat! Unlike most. That says a LOT.
 

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I’m not discounting his abilities, nor saying he won’t be one of the greats. Just that we need to give it a few years before we start building shrines and statues........

You are obviously an objective person, LMAO! What I am clearly saying is it’s early! VERY EARLY in young Bakers career I think he will be a success but one year does not make him a legendary QB. We’ve seen many QB’s have a good year or two and then poof they are gone. Baker could be one of the greats, but after a year in the league Its to early to put him in the same class as Brett Favre, Dan Marino, John Elway, Peyton Manning , Joe Montana, etc.

I am objective because I'm going off the facts LOL. Look, I get the cliché you need to be 6'4 philosophy that is burned into people's heads. However, if you watch football, a LOT of the guys having success aren't necessarily that tall. You've got Wilson, Brees, and some other guys running just over 6'. Hell Flutie did it for years.

You keep moving the goalposts.

You said "Kyler isn't suited for the NFL and that Kyler won't be a QB in the NFL"

They said the EXACT same thing about Baker.

"Well.... we aren't sure about Baker and it's halfway through the season."
"They play defense in the NFL"

Really? It's the end of the season and he broke a Rookie TD passing record.

"Well Baker isn't Legendary"

Nobody is saying that.



Nobody is saying that Baker NOR Kyler is going to be the best ever but both QBs have faced similar criticism and proved them wrong. You have a lot of scouts that have come forth and said he can play in the NFL.
 

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He'll make more money in MLB than NFL.

Not necessarily true. Baker's contract was over 30 million with 20 guaranteed I believe. Kyler could sign with the A's and never get out of the minors. He's a mini Ricky Henderson IMO but you never know. He goes first round in the NFL and he will get paid.
 

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Not necessarily true. Baker's contract was over 30 million with 20 guaranteed I believe. Kyler could sign with the A's and never get out of the minors. He's a mini Ricky Henderson IMO but you never know. He goes first round in the NFL and he will get paid.
Well given his athleticism displayed so far, I got doubts about him being stuck in the minors for too long. Will he hit 40 HRs a year? Probably not, but he's one of those few that are gifted so you never know.
 

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Well given his athleticism displayed so far, I got doubts about him being stuck in the minors for too long. Will he hit 40 HRs a year? Probably not, but he's one of those few that are gifted so you never know.

He can steal a base and he's got a glove and a cannon, but can he get on base? It SEEMS he likes football more than baseball, but again, you're right.... who knows?
 

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Kyler is a running QB, that’s what made him so dangerous in college. Baker is a pocket passer for al intents and purposes and those last much longer in the NFL . I’d put my money on Baker making it in the Pro game long before I put any money on Kyler making it. We saw a very similar experiment with RG3 and we was exciting or a our a season and a half, I don’t think Kyler does very well in the NFL, I didn’t hear much criticism about Bakers size being the drawback to his draft status (it was his flag planting, police officer evasions that were his biggest drawbacks) He was going to go I’m the top 10 there was never any doubt. Their isn’t really a prototypical QB anymore but If I were going to draft a QB I’d take Ehlinger before Murray.

Ehlinger couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat lol. He's Teebow but with less of an arm.

Baker made plays with his legs and his ability to scramble in college, same with NFL, not your traditional pocket passer. Something that makes the Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, etc so dangerous. A significant portion of his plays in college were outside of the pocket. Somehow you figure Baker is the "Pocket passer" and Kyler was the "Running QB." again.... facts..... Kyler passed for 42 TDs and Baker 43 the last year he played at OU. There's a difference of ~30 pass attempts between the two. The difference in yd between the two was Kyler's athletic ability, once he DID actually scramble (usually not designed) he got into open space and nobody could catch him.
 

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Ehlinger couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat lol. He's Teebow but with less of an arm.

Baker made plays with his legs and his ability to scramble in college, same with NFL, not your traditional pocket passer. Something that makes the Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, etc so dangerous. A significant portion of his plays in college were outside of the pocket. Somehow you figure Baker is the "Pocket passer" and Kyler was the "Running QB." again.... facts..... Kyler passed for 42 TDs and Baker 43 the last year he played at OU. There's a difference of ~30 pass attempts between the two. The difference in yd between the two was Kyler's athletic ability, once he DID actually scramble (usually not designed) he got into open space and nobody could catch him.
Preach on brother.
 

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I myself think Baker and Kyler are very similar QBs. They "made their money" with great arm strength throwing the ball with uncanny accuracy while on the run. Kyler just has more top end speed, they were both pretty quick at getting going. But again, it was that they can both throw the piss out of it while on the move.
 

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