George Floyd Toxicology Report

[Tanis143]

Yes, I understand. No, I don't agree with it.

BTW - every person that gets pulled over and might sue may not be a low life.

Did I say every person who gets pulled over? No. I said every low life, of which there are plenty. How do you expect cops to do their job with the threat of having to face a civil suit with every interaction they have? Why would they chase that rapist who is running? They tackle him and get sued for his injuries. Why would they want to pull over that go doing 50 on a residential street? They will get sued. If you want to defund the police, that is one helluva way to do it?

 

[RickN]

I fully expect NYC to lose even more cops than they already have. Those able to retire will and many others will move elsewhere.

Personally I think FAA workers should have to buy their own liability insurance too. Makes as much sense.

 

[TedKennedy]

Did I say every person who gets pulled over? No. I said every low life, of which there are plenty. How do you expect cops to do their job with the threat of having to face a civil suit with every interaction they have? Why would they chase that rapist who is running? They tackle him and get sued for his injuries. Why would they want to pull over that go doing 50 on a residential street? They will get sued. If you want to defund the police, that is one helluva way to do it?

How long has qualified immunity existed?

 

[trekrok]

I fully expect NYC to lose even more cops than they already have. Those able to retire will and many others will move elsewhere.

Yeah, I can't see a lot of the crazier jurisdictions being able to keep or hire people. In fact, I'd be suspect of anyone applying for the job in some of these areas.

 

[RickN]

Yeah, I can't see a lot of the crazier jurisdictions being able to keep or hire people. In fact, I'd be suspect of anyone applying for the job in some of these areas.

Already happening in some.

 

[TedKennedy]

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/qualified-immunity-legal-practical-moral-failure

Might want to brush up.

 

[Tanis143]

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/qualified-immunity-legal-practical-moral-failure

Might want to brush up.

Doesn't seem to stop people from suing the city or police department. George Floyd's family just got 27 million from the city before a court has determined if the officers are guilty. So how do you protect LEO's from frivolous lawsuits? Without qualified immunity every time a cop arrests a drug dealer they could file a frivolous lawsuit. The cop would then have to pay for a lawyer or settle out of court, either way he has to pay money for enforcing the law. If you want to get rid of qualified immunity how will you stop that side effect from happening?

 

[Hawkstar]

Maybe. City may throw cop under the bus, fire him, distance themselves as much as possible in order to avoid bearing responsibility.

In any case, I'm for eliminating immunity for cops. I don't have immunity from prosecution in my FAA regulated job, my wife doesn't have it in her extremely risky anesthesia job. We are held to account for our actions. Our employers are accountable too - cops aren't any different.

Please don't take this wrong but you and your wife are probably interacting with a completely different sample of society than the average beat cop.

 

[TedKennedy]

Please don't take this wrong but you and your wife are probably interacting with a completely different sample of society than the average beat cop.

Well, wife has spent time interacting with the dregs coming to the ER in the largest hospital in Oklahoma, takes care of shooting/stab vics all the time. I work on the frontier at Archer and Peoria, respond to alarms in the middle of the night, deal with homeless, methheads, drunks here.

Professionally, she is holds a Doctorate and works with surgeons, I work with engineers and top level management right up to the CEO.

I think that's a pretty wide sample of society, but maybe I'm wrong.

Qualified Immunity didn't exist until 1967, I've been around longer than that...how did previous generations manage to get by without it?

 

[MacFromOK]

Qualified Immunity didn't exist until 1967, I've been around longer than that...how did previous generations manage to get by without it?

Previous generations weren't near so litigious.

Folks will sue over a hangnail these days.