FDA and Agent Orange/Covid Vaccines

[JD8]

For those of you that believe the vaccine is a hoax, fake, is a tracking device, kills you, or whatever the favorite BS conspiracy theory story of the moment is...... what do you believe is curbed the spread of the original variant? Was it somehow that all these garbage cloth masks starting working? What did it in your opinion? I honestly want to know.

I mean, take your horse paste or whatever, great, it's a free country. I have no problems with hydroxychlorquine , my MIL got prescribed some and she took it and she's fine. She took other things, so who knows if it worked? The placebo effect is a thing for sure. Vaccine naysayers will talk about long term effects of vaccines etc, not realizing they are administering body blows to their liver. It would be interesting to see a long term study on horse paste effects. I know some poison control centers have seen some effects.

Either way, I believe someone pretty hypocritical in knocking FDA approval, that millions of people have taken with no significant issues, then turns around and takes a product that is FDA approved to deworm animals. But by god I read it on the internetz, watched a video, etc, so that is more concrete than what the doctors say. Fine, believe what you want to believe, I understand comfort in hanging out in echo chambers, that's why we're all here. But some of you need to work on your logic behind your arguments.

 

[p238shooter]

Well, it seems you are taking things to the extreme and not considering some items. First of all, I would consider how many people have gotten Covid and easily worked through it or in many cases did not even know they had it. For those who have complications, what the fatality rate for those who are not vaccinated who get Covid and get no additional treatment like I originally did before it was known what Covid was. Then I would look at the fatality rate of people who have been vaccinated and still get Covid, fortunately, some other treatments such as an Infusion have now been "authorized" rather than being banned like the HCQ and Ivermectin (Yes the Human version) which has been very successful in all countries except the US where even doing studies are outlawed. Then I would also throw in the question of the fatality rate of all the normally healthy people who just happen to come down with deadly problems who die or have serious health problems within hours or just a few days after taking the vaccine to think about the percentage factor there also.

Again in my case, I had Covid. I then a year later tried to take the vaccines, and the first shot put me down very sick again. I found a one time cure by using a drug that was originally made for humans to treat various ailments and has a very safe track record for the past 40 years in both humans and being used in animals. That drug like many others who have been discovered for humans has been repackaged for animal use. And yes, the most common ailment it is used for in animals is preventing worms and parasites which it is very effective in doing along with many other ailments. What is different between the Human version and the animal version? No prescription needed and no FDA stamp for the animal version. Kinda like the Covid19 vaccine, no prescription needed, and still no FDA stamp of approval on the doses still being given today, only FDA approval for a future product that not even exist at this time, how does that make sense? FDA will not approve what is currently being give to millions of people, but it will put it's stamp on a product that does not even exist for future use. Hummm

Do you think the animal medical industry is going to spend millions of dollars to come up with a filler to transport the 1.87% Ivermectin in a paste form that is not going to be harmful to animals but will be poisonous to humans? Not likely.

I am not Knocking FDA approval, but if you have paid attention in the past year or so to what other countries have used successfully vs what the FDA has allowed to be used or even tested in the US, you might get the idea something is not quite right somewhere. JMO By the way, I feel great again today.

As an additional comment about the reports from the poison control centers, a tube of paste is enough to treat 1,250 lbs of anything. Give that whole dosage to a 100lb calf and that calf most likely will have major problems. It seems some people are not smart enough to figure that out. Guess that is why it is mandatory to put stickers on lawn mowers that say "Keep hands and feet clear of blades" when they are turning. Ya know?

 

[JD8]

Well, it seems you are taking things to the extreme and not considering some items. First of all, I would consider how many people have gotten Covid and easily worked through it or in many cases did not even know they had it. For those who have complications, what the fatality rate for those who are not vaccinated who get Covid and get no additional treatment like I originally did before it was known what Covid was. Then I would look at the fatality rate of people who have been vaccinated and still get Covid, fortunately, some other treatments such as an Infusion have now been "authorized" rather than being banned like the HCQ and Ivermectin (Yes the Human version) which has been very successful in all countries except the US where even doing studies are outlawed. Then I would also throw in the question of the fatality rate of all the normally healthy people who just happen to come down with deadly problems who die or have serious health problems within hours or just a few days after taking the vaccine to think about the percentage factor there also.

Why would I consider how many people have had no issues? I'm not advocating the shot, I'm just calling BS on the logic behind eating paste and THEN throwing stones at the vaccine. Can't really speak for the FUD at the end, gonna have to leave you with that little secret.

Again in my case, I had Covid. I then a year later tried to take the vaccines, and the first shot put me down very sick again. I found a one time cure by using a drug that was originally made for humans to treat various ailments and has a very safe track record for the past 40 years in both humans and being used in animals. That drug like many others who have been discovered for humans has been repackaged for animal use. And yes, the most common ailment it is used for in animals is preventing worms and parasites which it is very effective in doing along with many other ailments. What is different between the Human version and the animal version? No prescription needed and no FDA stamp for the animal version. Kinda like the Covid19 vaccine, no prescription needed, and still no FDA stamp of approval on the doses still being given today, only FDA approval for a future product that not even exist at this time, how does that make sense? FDA will not approve what is currently being give to millions of people, but it will put it's stamp on a product that does not even exist for future use. Hummm

First, you have no proof you had Covid. You had it before there was testing. You say a year later the shot put you down, ok, well then all of the sudden you're eating horse paste and all is right with your health. Ok. Great. None of that makes any sense whatsoever, due to the fact you got a shot that gives you a precursor to an immune response so your body may recognize it, it doesn't give you Coivd. Ivermectin would have literally no effect on any sort of reaction from your body, or exaggerated immune response from the shot. You should honestly do some research on how it works. They even specifically use it as a prophylactic drug for Covid. So even if you somehow believe the shot gave you Covid or Covid symptoms, that drug doesn't work like that and that's been shown.

I'm not going to respond to the fear factory stuff, no point in it, you believe in some sort of bait and switch theory that's already been debunked. It's no different than the 839238193 BS claims that have come out about Covid from BOTH sides.

Do you think the animal medical industry is going to spend millions of dollars to come up with a filler to transport the 1.87% Ivermectin in a paste form that is not going to be harmful to animals but will be poisonous to humans? Not likely.

Do you believe that what animals and humans can take is 100% interchangeable? Don't believe me? Give your dog some chocolate covered raisins and get back to me.

I am not Knocking FDA approval, but if you have paid attention in the past year or so to what other countries have used successfully vs what the FDA has allowed to be used or even tested in the US, you might get the idea something is not quite right somewhere. JMO By the way, I feel great again today.

You see what you want to see. The US came out with three vaccines, and a few treatments. Pretty much all of the vaccines have been shown to be significantly effective, and one of the treatments is just a game changer. I couldn't care less about what India or China have been using. If it works for them, great! Would LOVE to see some proof though.

As an additional comment about the reports from the poison control centers, a tube of paste is enough to treat 1,250 lbs of anything. Give that whole dosage to a 100lb calf and that calf most likely will have major problems. It seems some people are not smart enough to figure that out. Guess that is why it is mandatory to put stickers on lawn mowers that say "Keep hands and feet clear of blades" when they are turning. Ya know?

Doesn't really apply. Eating horse dewormer isn't a normal, everyday occurrence, for normal people, while mowing their lawn is. Not justifying the idiot labels, but this situation sure isn't going to help that scenario either.

 

[sedona]

The daily Oklahoman had an article yesterday that showed that 92% of recent covid-19 hospitalizations in Oklahoma were among the unvaccinated.If that statistic doesn't cause you to want to get a shot they deserve what ever misery they get.And i got the covid in Feb.2020 before there was a vaccination for it.There was 3 -4 days of gasping of air and the worst headache i have ever had.People can do as they please, but if they get the covid as bad as i had it and their IQ is above 80 they would gladly get the shot if it gave them a better chance of not getting it again.My doctor said there is a 1 in 50,000 chance of having an adverse effect, but that is probably better than death.

 

[p238shooter]

JD8, you seemed to miss a lot of what I posted. If you will do some research Ivermectin was developed to be a human drug and has been used safely by humans with a great track record for more than 50 years for various ailments. Many human drugs are also later used for animals for various ailments. It is used in horses primarily for deworming because it is a frequent problem caused by their diet, but it is used for many other ailments also just as it is in humans. The only difference in the horse version is the 98.13% filler paste that suspends the 1.87% Ivermectin which is easier to get down a horse rather than trying to give them a pill. Ivermectint is avilable as an injectable also if it is desired as well as a brush on. No, I did not say the shot gave me Covid, I said the shot did the same to my immune system as the covid virus did and put me in an overload of the S-1 enzymes like the real Covid virus does. No, I did not say I immediately decided to take horse Ivermectin after I got that first shot. I said 6 months after I put up with the effects of my system being over loaded with the S-1 enzymes after taking that first shot and having those constant side effects of something similar to the "Long Haul Covid19" patients not decreasing after 6 months I decided to do one hell of a lot of research several hours a day for more than two weeks to see what I could learn from reading through the tin foil hat comments to reading technical journals that got way beyond my comprehension. When I decided I had most likely put in more research in than a lot of Dr's out here have time to do on that single Long Haul Covid19 treatment topic without being restrained to ignore a lot of good information particularly from other countries where it is not banned I felt I could decide on my own to give myself a safe weight dose of Ivermectin. You may have an easy source for the type of Ivermectin you might desire, I do not. But after also talking with a lot of my farm and ranch friends who are very healthy people, some of them much older than I am stated they have been taking a lick of Ivermectin off of the same tube they give their horses for many years, I felt it was safe to take. I also stated that at least 90% of the negative things I had been dealing with for about 6 months was gone within 24hours. Just the facts.

I could not care less about what you or anyone else decides to do. I am just sharing the background of why I made the decisions I have, what those decisions were, and I gave the results of those decisions of how it affected me.

Myself, I am not concerned about the small amount of filler in the doses I took is not FDA approved since I have many friends who have taken way more than I have for several years. Just as the current vaccines being given today are not FDA approved for some reason, nor the tomatoes out of my garden or the fish I fry that I catch out of my lake frequently are not FDA approved. I do not have an official stamped health card, but I eat what I prepare in my kitchen and have survived so far. I guess all this is because I chewed lead paint off my crib and I played in the dirt when I was a kid. JMO

 

[JD8]

JD8, you seemed to miss a lot of what I posted. If you will do some research Ivermectin was developed to be a human drug and has been used safely by humans with a great track record for more than 50 years for various ailments. Many human drugs are also later used for animals for various ailments. It is used in horses primarily for deworming because it is a frequent problem caused by their diet, but it is used for many other ailments also just as it is in humans. The only difference in the horse version is the 98.13% filler paste that suspends the 1.87% Ivermectin which is easier to get down a horse rather than trying to give them a pill. Ivermectint is avilable as an injectable also if it is desired as well as a brush on. No, I did not say the shot gave me Covid, I said the shot did the same to my immune system as the covid virus did and put me in an overload of the S-1 enzymes like the real Covid virus does. No, I did not say I immediately decided to take horse Ivermectin after I got that first shot. I said 6 months after I put up with the effects of my system being over loaded with the S-1 enzymes after taking that first shot and having those constant side effects of something similar to the "Long Haul Covid19" patients not decreasing after 6 months I decided to do one hell of a lot of research several hours a day for more than two weeks to see what I could learn from reading through the tin foil hat comments to reading technical journals that got way beyond my comprehension. When I decided I had most likely put in more research in than a lot of Dr's out here have time to do on that single Long Haul Covid19 treatment topic without being restrained to ignore a lot of good information particularly from other countries where it is not banned I felt I could decide on my own to give myself a safe weight dose of Ivermectin. You may have an easy source for the type of Ivermectin you might desire, I do not. But after also talking with a lot of my farm and ranch friends who are very healthy people, some of them much older than I am stated they have been taking a lick of Ivermectin off of the same tube they give their horses for many years, I felt it was safe to take. I also stated that at least 90% of the negative things I had been dealing with for about 6 months was gone within 24hours. Just the facts.

I could not care less about what you or anyone else decides to do. I am just sharing the background of why I made the decisions I have, what those decisions were, and I gave the results of those decisions of how it affected me.

Myself, I am not concerned about the small amount of filler in the doses I took is not FDA approved since I have many friends who have taken way more than I have for several years. Just as the current vaccines being given today are not FDA approved for some reason, nor the tomatoes out of my garden or the fish I fry that I catch out of my lake frequently are not FDA approved. I do not have an official stamped health card, but I eat what I prepare in my kitchen and have survived so far. I guess all this is because I chewed lead paint off my crib and I played in the dirt when I was a kid. JMO

I read it just fine. I'm well aware of how Ivermectin is supposed to work... are you? Again, the mechanisms to which it works have nothing to do with those symptoms. None of this changes what I said.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-effect
Finally, does the paint chip philosophy thing apply to vaccines too?

 

[p238shooter]

JD8 said " I'm well aware of how Ivermectin is supposed to work... are you? " Again, the mechanisms to which it works have nothing to do with those symptoms. None of this changes what I said."

Well no I was not familiar with Ivermectin in any way before starting my research which covered hundreds and hundreds of sites many of which were so technical I could not even comprehend and still do not know or care how it works. I do know it has been taken by humans for about 50 years and then later given to animals for parasite control and has no radical side effects when taken in an appropriate dosage amounts. Many studies mostly from other countries where it is legal showing trials of Ivermectin and the results with the Covid virus, and many additional comments from people I truste. So no, I can not explain how it works in detail, but it seemed to facilitate the reduction of the S-1 enzime load in my system which in turn helps with the reduction of the Attached S-1's in particular to get my level below the overload levels that were keeping me feeling sick.

I can only verify that for me a single dose of 1.87% Ivermectin for a 200lb person took me from waking up with a headache every morning for almost 6 months since I took the first Pfizer shot that lasted all day, sitting up feeling dizzy, grabbing my cane to stand up with shooting pains in both of my knee joints to hobble to the bathroom, and feeling foggy headed all day for some reason got me back to at least 90% normal feeling in actually less than 24 hours from that first dose.

Tell you what, lay your hand out on a flat table and hit it as hard as you can with a hammer and let me tell you about the placebo effect and convince you that your hand does not really hurt.

Myself I don't care how Ivermectin works. I don't care if the 98.13 percent transport item is in the shape of a pill, or suspended in a paste, or smeared on a dog turd. I easily got the paste down and I have my life back. You are very welcome to think what ever you want and do what ever you think best for you. I can now get back on my motorcycle, wave runner, and after waiting 3 weeks looking for any adverse symptoms, I flew one of my airplanes I had not been comfortable even trying to crawl up in for 6 months. This is just my 2 cents worth of experience I am sharing. You are welcome to ignore and jump to the next post of you like.

 

[montesa]

JD8 said " I'm well aware of how Ivermectin is supposed to work... are you? " Again, the mechanisms to which it works have nothing to do with those symptoms. None of this changes what I said."

Well no I was not familiar with Ivermectin in any way before starting my research which covered hundreds and hundreds of sites many of which were so technical I could not even comprehend and still do not know or care how it works. I do know it has been taken by humans for about 50 years and then later given to animals for parasite control and has no radical side effects when taken in an appropriate dosage amounts. Many studies mostly from other countries where it is legal showing trials of Ivermectin and the results with the Covid virus, and many additional comments from people I truste. So no, I can not explain how it works in detail, but it seemed to facilitate the reduction of the S-1 enzime load in my system which in turn helps with the reduction of the Attached S-1's in particular to get my level below the overload levels that were keeping me feeling sick.

I can only verify that for me a single dose of 1.87% Ivermectin for a 200lb person took me from waking up with a headache every morning for almost 6 months since I took the first Pfizer shot that lasted all day, sitting up feeling dizzy, grabbing my cane to stand up with shooting pains in both of my knee joints to hobble to the bathroom, and feeling foggy headed all day for some reason got me back to at least 90% normal feeling in actually less than 24 hours from that first dose.

Tell you what, lay your hand out on a flat table and hit it as hard as you can with a hammer and let me tell you about the placebo effect and convince you that your hand does not really hurt.

Myself I don't care how Ivermectin works. I don't care if the 98.13 percent transport item is in the shape of a pill, or suspended in a paste, or smeared on a dog turd. I easily got the paste down and I have my life back. You are very welcome to think what ever you want and do what ever you think best for you. I can now get back on my motorcycle, wave runner, and after waiting 3 weeks looking for any adverse symptoms, I flew one of my airplanes I had not been comfortable even trying to crawl up in for 6 months. This is just my 2 cents worth of experience I am sharing. You are welcome to ignore and jump to the next post of you like.

It’s become a strange and in my opinion a dishonest argument against IVM. As if anyone doesn’t know that the filler that the drug is suspended in is not approved in anyway. You don’t have to justify your experiences to anyone here but I appreciate the patient and honest way you do it. Glad it’s working for you.

 

[Dale00]

(STILLWATER, OK) – Mayor Will Joyce has declared a State of Emergency for the City of Stillwater beginning Friday, Sept. 3, based on the medical health of the community. The Oklahoma State Department of Health (OSDH) is providing assistance with deployment of the Medical Reserve Corp and has issued a statewide call for healthcare volunteers.
Due to current high volume of patients and shortage of hospital staff, the Medical Reserve Corp would provide additional nurses, paramedics, respiratory therapists, and medical assistants throughout the weekend at minimum. They will help man overflow tents that will be constructed Friday morning outside of the Emergency Department and assist with increases of patient volume as space allows.

http://stillwater.org/news/view/id/731

 

[rc508pir]

Anybody remember Fen-Phen? The FDA approved it.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/prescription/hazard/fenphen.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenfluramine/phentermine

A lot of women have heart problems from that