Russia separatist within the Ukraine are doing the shelling. Russia is doing nothing.
You are correct. The piece I read made it sound like the Russians were doing it. Instead they are just providing the ammo.
No. Ukraine has been a contested state for some time; why would you want to add a tinderbox that would provide an excellent catalyst to putting the world back into conflict again? Maybe that is exactly the reason our government would want? We meddled heavily in Ukraine around the 2014 period, sparking conflict there. So maybe we've made Putin's case for NOT wanting them as a part of NATO?
As for Rick's comment about separatists shelling with Russia providing the ammo - that's been kind of our game for decades. If I had to bet, if there's any "false flag", it's going to have our fingerprints on it - not Putin's. But for the record, I don't believe Putin will invade Ukraine. I'm thinking the bulk of the breathless reporting in the MSM is to try and deflect attention away from a failing President, in an election year. Just my "gut thoughts".
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Yup. It's another scenario that indicates that communism cannot support itself and why it has to engulf more 'subjects".
Can you imagine the fate of humanity if the whole world were to live under communism? I can see a third of the population expiring within two years. The next third in the next year, then a third of the last third being free to support themselves after the last of the commies are killed in a war trying to subjugate those who remain alive. Yeah, about ten to twelve percent would survive to start it all over.
Look what communism did to the Pilgrims. Take heed.
By the way, if you don't have a wheelbarrow, buy one now. You'll need it to carry the hundreds of thousands of trillion dollar bills to the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread. Oh, never mind. It'll be all digitized by then. You'll need a couple dozen thumb drives instead.
Woody
Report: US Intel Confirms Russian Commanders Have Orders to Invade Ukraine
Blinken: All Signs Suggest Russia on the Brink of Invading Ukraine
All signs suggest Russia is on the brink of invading Ukraine, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Sunday, but still vowed that Washington would use every opportunity until the last minute to see if diplomacy would dissuade Moscow from going ahead.
On Sunday, CBS News reported that U.S. intelligence agencies have confirmed that Russian commanders have received orders to proceed with an invasion of Ukraine, with commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sectors of the battlefield,
The intelligence indicates that "they're doing everything that American commanders would do once they got the order to proceed," CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reported.
Speaking on broadcaster CNN's "State of the Union" show, Blinken maintained Washington's position that the deterrent impact of sanctions would be lost if they are triggered before an invasion despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's passionate plea on Saturday to unleash them.
"Everything we are seeing suggests that this is dead serious, that we are on the brink of an invasion. We will do everything we can to try to prevent it before it happens," Blinken said, adding that the West was equally prepared if Moscow invades.
"Until the tanks are actually rolling, and the planes are flying, we will use every opportunity and every minute we have to see if diplomacy can still dissuade President (Vladimir) Putin from carrying this forward," he said.
Blinken said his planned meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was still set to proceed next week as long as Moscow did not go ahead with the invasion.
President Joe Biden was also prepared to engage with Putin "at any time, in any format if that can help prevent a war," Blinken added.
Western leaders have been warning of an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine, estimating that more than 150,000 Russian troops have encircled the country.
Earlier, the Belarus defense minister said his country and Russia were extending military drills that were due to end on Sunday.
The decision to extend the drills was made because of military activity near the borders of Russia and Belarus and an escalation of the situation in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine, the Belarusian defense ministry said in a statement.
Washington has been warning that Russia could use false claims about the conflict in Ukraine’s Donbass region, including reports of mass graves and allegations of chemical weapons production, to justify an invasion of the former Soviet republic.
Asked if the decision made him more concerned about an invasion, Blinken said: "Yes."
"All of this along with the false flag operations we’ve seen unfold over the weekend tells us that the playbook that we laid out is moving forward," he said.
U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in an interview with broadcaster ABC warned about "enormous casualties" if Russia were to deploy the tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and rocket forces it has massed on the Ukraine border.
"You could see a significant amount of combat power move very quickly now to take Kiev," he said, and added: "If he employs that kind of combat power it will certainly create enormous casualties within a civilian population."
Blinken: All Signs Suggest Russia on the Brink of Invading Ukraine
All signs suggest Russia is on the brink of invading Ukraine, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Sunday, but still vowed that Washington would use every opportunity until the last minute to see if diplomacy would dissuade Moscow from going ahead.
On Sunday, CBS News reported that U.S. intelligence agencies have confirmed that Russian commanders have received orders to proceed with an invasion of Ukraine, with commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sectors of the battlefield,
The intelligence indicates that "they're doing everything that American commanders would do once they got the order to proceed," CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reported.
Speaking on broadcaster CNN's "State of the Union" show, Blinken maintained Washington's position that the deterrent impact of sanctions would be lost if they are triggered before an invasion despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's passionate plea on Saturday to unleash them.
"Everything we are seeing suggests that this is dead serious, that we are on the brink of an invasion. We will do everything we can to try to prevent it before it happens," Blinken said, adding that the West was equally prepared if Moscow invades.
"Until the tanks are actually rolling, and the planes are flying, we will use every opportunity and every minute we have to see if diplomacy can still dissuade President (Vladimir) Putin from carrying this forward," he said.
Blinken said his planned meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was still set to proceed next week as long as Moscow did not go ahead with the invasion.
President Joe Biden was also prepared to engage with Putin "at any time, in any format if that can help prevent a war," Blinken added.
Western leaders have been warning of an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine, estimating that more than 150,000 Russian troops have encircled the country.
Earlier, the Belarus defense minister said his country and Russia were extending military drills that were due to end on Sunday.
The decision to extend the drills was made because of military activity near the borders of Russia and Belarus and an escalation of the situation in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine, the Belarusian defense ministry said in a statement.
Washington has been warning that Russia could use false claims about the conflict in Ukraine’s Donbass region, including reports of mass graves and allegations of chemical weapons production, to justify an invasion of the former Soviet republic.
Asked if the decision made him more concerned about an invasion, Blinken said: "Yes."
"All of this along with the false flag operations we’ve seen unfold over the weekend tells us that the playbook that we laid out is moving forward," he said.
U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in an interview with broadcaster ABC warned about "enormous casualties" if Russia were to deploy the tanks, armored vehicles, artillery and rocket forces it has massed on the Ukraine border.
"You could see a significant amount of combat power move very quickly now to take Kiev," he said, and added: "If he employs that kind of combat power it will certainly create enormous casualties within a civilian population."
I think invading Ukraine is inevitable. When someone running a country can't keep up the welfare of the people, the only option short of giving up the position is to turn to conquest. You know; like Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Lyndon Johnson, Napoleon, etc., etc., etc. ...
Woody
Woody
Here's a little history for you. During WWII, the Nazis bombed village and cities in Russia. One village was bombed and they had stacked up the bodies for mass burial. One individual who was out of town for various reasons, hurried to the village looking for his wife. His home was leveled by the bombing but in searching, he found her in a stack of bodies and noted that she had a little movement. He then told the workers handling bodies to pull her out and they said she's gone anyway. He insisted on having her pulled out and they reluctantly took his wife's body out of the mass whereupon he took her to a hospital and her life was saved with medical treatment. She later gave birth to a baby boy and his name was Vladimir Putin. And you know the rest of the story.
Wow!
Similar reason why we are "importing" millions of often incompatible aliens to replace our aging population? A consumption economy also struggles when it starts losing population - and more importantly to our government - TAXPAYERS.
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