Someone threatened to “shoot up” and kill everyone at my wife’s office

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OkieJoe, my lamentations about this happening to your wife.

Though I do however think it is interesting your recounting and push for more gun control from it so expediently.
I might have the exact 180* opposite reaction, blame the current gun control laws/base installation restrictions and advocate for carrying by responsible individuals.

And yes. I enter most military installations across the state of OK. It sucks to drive around the state unarmed all the time just simply because I’m spending an hour or two at a base. So, in essence, the Fed Gov restricts my rights to defend myself everywhere because of where I tread occasionally. Interesting how that works. Sure, I COULD get each base commander’s approval and special letter to carry onto post, but which one should I start with first?
 

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This goes back to the PERSEC baseline: "Be polite. Be Professional. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

The base security has no duty to protect any one individual or group of individuals on base. They just can't even if they wanted to. So even though it's been forbidden to carry a gun on a federal installation since forever ago, that doesn't mean you just give up. Consider this threat and resultant poor response by the MP's as an exercise. They saw what worked and more importantly, what didn't.

Armed with that information, does OP's wife know the right questions to ask of management in that specific facility? Until the cavalry shows up and neutralizes the threat, what's the plan? What are the emergency evac routes? Where are the hardened points in the building that can be secured? Where are the concealment areas that can be secured and if necessary, defended? In those locations, what implements and equipment are available that can be EFFECTIVELY utilized as improvised weapons? Have employees drilled to work as teams against threats? Force multiplication is vastly important. Even a combat ineffective staffer can be used as a distraction.

Are Emergency 1st Aid Kits maintained and up to date? If so, do they provide adequate coverage for piercing injuries such as bullet wounds? Being a military installation, are there IFAK's available? Even expired ones handed down once they're rotated out of front line service are better than none at all. Is your individual CPR/Emergency 1st Aid training up to date?

Communications: Always assume no comms. Hard lines can be cut, cell towers can be overloaded with traffic, emergency dispatch will be overloaded and the only reason to call them are if you need emergency medical service, or you have information that should be relayed to the cavalry to vector them directly to the threat. NEVER call dispatch or 911 to get information. They don't have time to give you a report, they're busy vectoring resources to the crisis scene. Want information? Are you signed up for text alerts? Do you know what local sources of information you can tune into (radio, internet, app) to obtain information that is NOT from the emergency services providers coming to the rescue? Don't forget to silence your phone immediately, so as to not give away your location.

Once you've escaped and/or the threat is neutralized, do you know where the primary, secondary and tertiary rally points are? And that's if they even exist, and hopefully they're in opposite directions to account for the 1st or 2nd RP's being compromised by the threat. Do you know who/where to call for accountability?

If you're considered critical personnel/management, do you know where to go if you're off site and need to help account for personnel who may have been compromised by the threat? Because I can guarantee you aren't getting anywhere the scene, or possibly even on the facility at all for hours, possibly even days. Do you have MOU's/MOA's/Mutual Aid Agreements with other facilities to resume critical operations in the interim?

These are the things you have to know or learn at emergency exercises or after an incident occurs. We literally just had an Active Shooter Tabletop Exercise at my airport on Wednesday. The most important part of exercises like these aren't the exercise itself, it's the post exercise/incident "hot wash". That's where you plan and implement improvements to your response, then ensure lessons learned aren't forgotten year over year. That's what we were doing this morning after ours.

It's amazing how much personnel turnover can happen in a year's time, and important emergency information isn't maintained or passed along to new personnel. Great organizations have policies and procedures in place to ensure continuity of operations in the face of all types of threats, manmade and natural. But unless you're involved in the planning and exercise part of your operation, you shouldn't assume your organization is staying on top of emergency response plans.

Take responsibility for your own safety and security. If you do that, then maybe you're one less victim they have to triage and one more pair of hands available to help pick up the pieces and move forward. Just some food for thought.
 

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"My guess is that security coming on post is going to be a bit tougher for a while.
Maybe something like 100% stop and inspect for a few days."

Nope, business as usual this morning when I came through the gate. We were not notified of this incident. I wouldn't have known about it if I didn't read about it this morning here.
No additional security around the complex where she works was present today. It was very much business as usual. I’m pretty disgusted by it! For whatever reason, they are not taking the threat seriously.
 

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OkieJoe, my lamentations about this happening to your wife.

Though I do however think it is interesting your recounting and push for more gun control from it so expediently.
I might have the exact 180* opposite reaction, blame the current gun control laws/base installation restrictions and advocate for carrying by responsible individuals.

And yes. I enter most military installations across the state of OK. It sucks to drive around the state unarmed all the time just simply because I’m spending an hour or two at a base. So, in essence, the Fed Gov restricts my rights to defend myself everywhere because of where I tread occasionally. Interesting how that works. Sure, I COULD get each base commander’s approval and special letter to carry onto post, but which one should I start with first?
OkieJoe, my lamentations about this happening to your wife.

Though I do however think it is interesting your recounting and push for more gun control from it so expediently.
I might have the exact 180* opposite reaction, blame the current gun control laws/base installation restrictions and advocate for carrying by responsible individuals.

And yes. I enter most military installations across the state of OK. It sucks to drive around the state unarmed all the time just simply because I’m spending an hour or two at a base. So, in essence, the Fed Gov restricts my rights to defend myself everywhere because of where I tread occasionally. Interesting how that works. Sure, I COULD get each base commander’s approval and special letter to carry onto post, but which one should I start with first?
First, thank you for your concern. Secondly, I don’t want more gun control. All kinds of thoughts were going through my head, and I didn’t express all my thoughts clearly. My first honest thought was a desire to hurt the person that made the threat, and I am definitely not happy with the current gun laws and base restrictions. After I learned this morning that no precautions were being taken on post, I was and still am angry as hell. All I could do yesterday was think about the different aspects of the situation. One of them was mental stability, and I couldn’t get past that one. I don’t favor red flag laws which is why it seems to me that it is an impossible problem to solve. Like many have said, I strongly believe that being armed is probably the best protection against gun violence.
 

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I would venture that CID is not only on it, they have probably contacted said individual or his CoC if he was a soldier or dependent. If he was not, then they have contacted the local authorities. If the latter, he won't get on post unless he's cutting wire and hiking in. If the former, he's most likely cuffed and stuffed. CID doesn't F around like the MPs and locals do. I've dealt with them professionally in the past and although they get a bad rap trying to set people up, they will crush a MF for something like this. They keep it on the downlow as well. You won't hear about anything and they don't answer to very many people...certainly not the FBI or some other feds except maybe Marshals.

To address the lack of locking down post, If they locked it down for every B threat or Death threat, etc, it would never be open. That's just reality. Don't think that because they are conducting business as usual, that somebody's not watching or conducting security. I'd say not to worry as much. They aren't not doing something, you just won't know so much. I would also say that Ft. Sill is the safest place in the state, excepting AFBs, unless there was a nuke or EMP. I hope that you get some kind of comfort out of that.
 
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I would venture that CID is not only on it, they have probably contacted said individual or his CoC if he was a soldier or dependent. If he was not, then they have contacted the local authorities. If the latter, he won't get on post unless he's cutting wire and hiking in. If the former, he's most likely cuffed and stuffed. CID doesn't F around like the MPs and locals do. I've dealt with them professionally in the past and although they get a bad rap trying to set people up, they will crush a MF for something like this. They keep it on the downlow as well. You won't hear about anything and they don't answer to very many people...certainly not the FBI or some other feds except maybe Marshals.

To address the lack of locking down post, If they locked it down for every B threat or Death threat, etc, it would never be open. That's just reality. Don't think that because they are conducting business as usual, that somebody's not watching or conducting security.
You definitely know more than me about how these things work. CID was at the clinic yesterday afternoon so I can only hope that he is sitting in some cage right now.
 

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