Arrest warrant issued in quadruple homicide near Hennessey - marijuana grow farm

[joegrizzy]

You're the second one to say that, but I haven't seen any evidence.

....because i was quoting the eternal boomer.

i'm not saying it; but crime in general is up everywhere.

 

[cowzrul]

they should be punished. i don't care what the law says or does lol, when i did ever imply i do?

you were asking about the legality of conducting business with a known illegal entity.

also you skirted the whole "it's illegal for non-citizens to own land" part.

You don't care about the law and it's your opinion. Just getting that straight.
As a seller of property it is not my responsibility to research the buyer. There is zero requirement for me to do such a thing.
I'm not disputing that "it's illegal for non-citizens to own land" but please explain how I would know that and at what point in the contractual process that would occur.

 

[joegrizzy]

i would assume your agent managing the deal at some point would at least ask for id to if nothing else confirm the person signing documents was who they said they were.

if they could not produce a valid birth certificate, state id, passport, etc (the vaunted 2 forms of ID i know i know really radical stuff here) i would *assume* a licensed agent in dealing property *might at that point understand that the person is likely not a citizen of the United States*

i dunno, i'm not an agent, but i mean....shouldn't it be pretty simple?

at that point, if you accepted *forged* documents under the guise of "well i just didn't know!" again it comes down to a judgement call in terms of law, which is why law is kinda dumb because get this people can just lie at any point lol, but accepting these forged documents as a legal entity say like a licensed agent or a bank, you could then be further legally liable because it's your job, literally, to make sure these documents are indeed legit.

i dunno, i mean it seems really easy.

it's like saying why don't i just take a green piece of paper with 1 followed by a bunch of 0's on it to the store and see how much i can buy.

why not just pay with monopoly money and i mean hey it's not like the guy at the register is supposed to know it's fake right? he's just selling me groceries or a car or a house or land to illegally grow illegal amounts of federally illegal plants with my illegal slaves.

 

[cowzrul]

but asking for proof of citizenship would easily suffice the condition of "illegal for non-citizen to own land"

That is the realtor and title company responsibility. I have bought and sold property about a dozen times and of those ZERO times have I reviewed identification.

 

[trekrok]

I think foreigners should be barred from buying OK property, but until that happens the sales won't stop. Money talks.

I wonder if the state/county or whatever will attempt to seize these properties?

 

[joegrizzy]

That is the realtor and title company responsibility. I have bought and sold property about a dozen times and of those ZERO times have I reviewed identification.

right, but i don't think that frees you from responsibility lol.

>i swear, it was just my accountant that did the cheating!!

i mean, i get it that does work sometimes, because again the law is impartial only in theory, in execution it becomes like anything, but that's not seemingly on the up and up ya know?

 

[joegrizzy]

I think foreigners should be barred from buying OK property, but until that happens the sales won't stop. Money talks.

I wonder if the state/county or whatever will attempt to seize these properties?

they are.

https://oksenate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-12/oc22.pdf
SECTION XXII-1 Aliens - Ownership of land prohibited - Disposal of lands acquired. No alien or person who is not a citizen of the United States, shall acquire title to or own land in this state, and the Legislature shall enact laws whereby all persons not citizens of the United States, and their heirs, who may hereafter acquire real estate in this state by devise, descent, or otherwise, shall dispose of the same within five years upon condition of escheat or forfeiture to the State: Provided, This shall not apply to Indians born within the United States, nor to aliens or persons not citizens of the United States who may become bona fide residents of this State: And Provided Further, That this section shall not apply to lands now owned by aliens in this State.

>SECTION XXII-2 Corporations - Buying, acquiring or dealing in real estate. No corporation shall be created or licensed in this State for the purpose of buying, acquiring, trading, or dealing in real estate other than real estate located in incorporated cities and towns and as additions thereto; nor shall any corporation doing business in this State buy, acquire, trade, or deal in real estate for any purpose except such as may be located in such towns and cities and as additions to such towns and cities, and further except such as shall be necessary and proper for carrying on the business for which it was chartered or licensed; and provided further that under limitations prescribed by the legislature, any corporation may acquire real estate for lease or sale to any other corporation, if such latter corporation could have legally acquired the same in the first instance; nor shall any corporation be created or licensed to do business in this State for the purpose of acting as agent in buying and selling or leasing land for agricultural purposes; provided, however, that corporations shall not be precluded from taking mortgages on real estate to secure loans or debts, or from acquiring title thereto upon foreclosure of such mortgages or in the collection of debts, conditioned that such corporation or corporations shall not hold such real estate for a longer period than seven (7) years after acquiring such title; and provided, further, that this Section shall not apply to trust companies taking only the naked title to real estate in this State as a trustee, to be held solely as security for indebtedness pursuant to such trust; and provided, further, that no public service corporation shall hold any land, or the title thereof, in any way whatever in this State, except as the same shall be necessary for the transaction and operation of its business as such public service corporation.

we are currently debating if a land owner should be held legally liable for selling to an obviously illegal chinese entity. i say yes, regardless of this law or any other in principle. others say no because they like money i guess i have yet to hear their argument other than playing dumb and feigning ignorance.

 

[joegrizzy]

I think foreigners should be barred from buying OK property, but until that happens the sales won't stop. Money talks.

I wonder if the state/county or whatever will attempt to seize these properties?

again, the loophole/legal workaround on this is just have the property, possibly even the bank loans, mortgages, etc, AND even the growing licenses IN THE NAME OF OKLAHOMA LAW FIRMS.

this is "legally necessary" to avoid breaking the above law, but like i said i'm pretttyyy sure it's in the system now (i don't really follow law, so i could be wrong, but i know at least one law firm got in trouble for doing this literally hundreds of times for hundreds of foreign buyers and growers that were caught growing waaaayyyy more weed than they what they WERE BUT SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BEEN licensed for) and it's possible (i hope at least) that these law firms engaged in this practice all go to jail and the land owners who did business with them get severely fined and the people who run the trafficking illegal weed farms all get deported.

that's what i hope for and where i stand. i guess others want every single chinese person to move to oklahoma, not even bother getting citizenship as long as they bring a breifcase of cash to give to a law firm and the land owner, and then they can do whatever they want because i mean hey, how was i supposed to know any better?

until given otherwise; that's my best summation of their argument.

 

[Glocktogo]

As I stated, some people wouldn't know logic if it hit them in the face with a cast iron frying pan.

 

[cowadle]

do i read correctly??? a corporation ____ can own land outside of an incorporated town or city for only seven years?????

nor shall any corporation doing business in this State buy, acquire, trade, or deal in real estate for any purpose except such as may be located in such towns and cities and as additions to such towns and cities, and further except such as shall be necessary and proper for carrying on the business for which it was chartered or licensed; and provided further that under limitations prescribed by the legislature, any corporation may acquire real estate for lease or sale to any other corporation, if such latter corporation could have legally acquired the same in the first instance; nor shall any corporation be created or licensed to do business in this State for the purpose of acting as agent in buying and selling or leasing land for agricultural purposes; provided