Careful what you wish for

[boocat71]

Denver school district's board removed all police two years before high school student shot two administrators
I think is a big problem when a student has to be searched every day before school.

 

[Billybob]

Denver school district's board removed all police two years before high school student shot two administrators
I think is a big problem when a student has to be searched every day before school.

Yes there appears to be a big problem.
The 6-yr. old who shot the teacher had attacked another teacher but was still in school...https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-shot-teacher-allegedly-tried-choke-another-rcna69440?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

One of the teens in the recent B.A. killing of another teen had assaulted a teacher and was still in school...https://www.fox23.com/news/only-on-fox23-a-teacher-speaks-on-the-violence-in-tulsa-schools/article_00db89dc-1fb7-5d07-9113-44462ad40f2f.html

Why are schools not holding "troubled" kids accountable or removing them?

 

[PBramble]

When it's not their kid, it's not their problem, until it is. It's not the schools fault the kids don't have parental guidance at home. Locking them away with like minded kids would likely just perpetuate the violence. Why aren't the parents being held accountable would be a better question.

 

[Billybob]

When it's not their kid, it's not their problem, until it is. It's not the schools fault the kids don't have parental guidance at home. Locking them away with like minded kids would likely just perpetuate the violence. Why aren't the parents being held accountable would be a better question.

But it is the school's fault for allowing or covering for(Parkland) dangerous kids, but when they have qualified immunity what could go wrong?

https://www.newson6.com/story/6403b...d-schools-staff-immune-from-shooting-lawsuits
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...al-danger-posed-by-msd-shooter-judge/2378414/

 

[WoodsCraft]

It is a sad commentary on the shite hole our society has become when reflecting on the fact I actually used to ride the bus to school with a rifle and ammo , then give it to the school secretary who would put your name on it and stick it in the corner of the principals office so that we could go squirrel or quail hunting with our friends when we would stay the night at each other's homes .

 

[PBramble]

But it is the school's fault for allowing or covering for(Parkland) dangerous kids, but when they have qualified immunity what could go wrong?

https://www.newson6.com/story/6403b...d-schools-staff-immune-from-shooting-lawsuits
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...al-danger-posed-by-msd-shooter-judge/2378414/

The day before the shooting, a teacher saw Crumbley looking at ammunition on his phone while in class. School officials left a voicemail informing his mother about it. On the morning of the shooting, Crumbley’s parents were summoned to the school and confronted with his drawings, which included a handgun and the words: “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

Authorities said his parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, refused to take him home after the 13-minute meeting and were told to get him counseling.


Sorry, the school did step up. The parents failed to act. This isn't the school's fault, it rest solely on the shoulders of those two people. The school likely can't just have some kid committed without a legal guardian's consent.

 

[cowadle]

when i was a kid a way back loooooooong time ago we had a kid that was a bully etc and he advanced to carrying and threatening another with his knife once...............i never saw this kid again ever! i don't know what happened to him to this day.

 

[Billybob]

The day before the shooting, a teacher saw Crumbley looking at ammunition on his phone while in class. School officials left a voicemail informing his mother about it. On the morning of the shooting, Crumbley’s parents were summoned to the school and confronted with his drawings, which included a handgun and the words: “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

Authorities said his parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, refused to take him home after the 13-minute meeting and were told to get him counseling.


Sorry, the school did step up. The parents failed to act. This isn't the school's fault, it rest solely on the shoulders of those two people. The school likely can't just have some kid committed without a legal guardian's consent.

I agree there are issues regarding the parents and I am in no way defending them, in fact I've been clear in the past that some of our society isn't fit to parent/have kids. And nobody said the school should have the kid committed but if it's true he exhibited signs and was not reported to child services or authorities who's fault is that?
https://kfor.com/news/oxford-shooti...m_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialflow
It's also being reported that the sheriff said the school should have had the school officer involved and reported the kid to authorities but didn't.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...lice-about-suspects-behavior-before-shooting/
How many school shooters sent up red flags but were ignored? Parkland is the prime example and it seems we've learned nothing from it. Reports about the shooter's prior acts excused by the school's diversion program which seemed to function as a cover for problem kid's actions and the school's image were quickly denied then ignored, and remember he was also reported to social services and other authorities yet nothing was done.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/14/nikolas-cruz-violated-obamas-promise-diversion-pro/
The school system knew of his issues in middle school..."one Westglades teacher feared Cruz so much that she would not have him in her classroom unless an assistant principal or behavior specialist was present"...

https://apnews.com/article/educatio...nikolas-cruz-0af8d0a431b44d2912324dc250afee88
So the question remains, when should a school expel a kid and at what point should they be liable if they don't? Drugs, psych issues, gang activity, assault, bringing a gun to school? When does the safety of the other kids and school staff outweigh helping (excusing?) problem kids?

 

[PBramble]

I agree there are issues regarding the parents and I am in no way defending them, in fact I've been clear in the past that some of our society isn't fit to parent/have kids. And nobody said the school should have the kid committed but if it's true he exhibited signs and was not reported to child services or authorities who's fault is that?
https://kfor.com/news/oxford-shooti...m_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialflow
It's also being reported that the sheriff said the school should have had the school officer involved and reported the kid to authorities but didn't.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news...lice-about-suspects-behavior-before-shooting/
How many school shooters sent up red flags but were ignored? Parkland is the prime example and it seems we've learned nothing from it. Reports about the shooter's prior acts excused by the school's diversion program which seemed to function as a cover for problem kid's actions and the school's image were quickly denied then ignored, and remember he was also reported to social services and other authorities yet nothing was done.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/14/nikolas-cruz-violated-obamas-promise-diversion-pro/
The school system knew of his issues in middle school..."one Westglades teacher feared Cruz so much that she would not have him in her classroom unless an assistant principal or behavior specialist was present"...

https://apnews.com/article/educatio...nikolas-cruz-0af8d0a431b44d2912324dc250afee88
So the question remains, when should a school expel a kid and at what point should they be liable if they don't? Drugs, psych issues, gang activity, assault, bringing a gun to school? When does the safety of the other kids and school staff outweigh helping (excusing?) problem kids?

I'm sure this isn't a one off. the ball gets dropped on so many fronts, but how is that a schools fault? I mean they took their warrantee issue straight to the manufacturer who wouldn't do anything. Does a school system have the power to usurp a parent's rights? I don't know the answer, but I don't feel the school is at fault here. The people suing the school are looking for the deepest pockets to sue, not go after the kids parents, who are ultimately responsible for him and his behavior. Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone says their kids are priceless until something happens, but they can tell you the price they were worth for the lawsuit.

 

[OK Corgi Rancher]

Saw a picture of some SO and State Patrol vehicles blocking the road where the little turd was found. The SO car was parked in the parking lot of my old gun store. Memories...