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It is humorous how quick individuals are to defend. I said a similar thing as Kirk last week in another thread (http://www.okshooters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66385) and a band of noble Americans came to defend that combloc ammo. :pms2:

Some people have this false impression that keeping your gun clean means you will never have problems with any ammo ever... (i.e. if you have problems with Wolf and steel-case then your gun is dirty). I have seen brand new spotless guns (with exception of the CLP) that failed when fed Wolf etc.


Did I recommend you change? I stated that some not all rifles would have an issue not all of them all the time. If your rifle shoots them them great I thouht I read someplace that the warranty would be void if the steel cased ammo were shot through someones upper but I'm at work and don't have the time to find the article heck my brain might be thinking of something totally different so please don't take what I say to heart. Later,

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I find it humorous that people bash a particular brand all the time because they had 1 issue with it and try to get everybody to steer clear of it. So here goes my bashing of ammo. DO NOT shoot Remington green box ammo by Wal-Mart! This one time, I had a squib! It's the worst ammo EVER! See how that works? Just because your gun doesn't like it doesn't mean nobody elses will either. My gun LOATHES the Remington ammo - I've had 1 squib, 3 no fires (tried it in my other AR and also my mini, still no fire), and no consistent groups at all. My gun absolutely LOVES Black Hills and PMC - super accurate and consistent but at 2-3 times the cost of Wolf. So, for me Wolf is the happy medium between cost and consistentcy.

Ok, in all seriousness here, my AR's run smoothly when they are clean. That's a fact. I can't run more than 200 rounds through my LMT of ANY ammo before I have to run a bore snake with CLP down it. My Stag could care less. I know my guns, I know what works well in them. But I'm not going to sit back and let people bash a brand and try to get everybody to stop using it because a couple people had issues. Like I said, I hate Remington but for other people it works great so more power to them. I'm not going to belittle them and tell them to stop.

And just to make everybody happy - my Kimber will not shoot any Wolf ammo reliably. It just will not feed the .45 steel cased loads.

I respectfully will bow out of this argument now because my opinion doesn't matter apparantly.
 

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And I bashed Wolf how? hell I didn't even mention a brand I just stated the the coating on steel cases can and has stuck a case in a chamber. Fella's lighten up dang breath deep and exhale slowly :D

Here's the deal everyone has thier personal preferences truth I don't care what anyone likes or dislikes but like those preferences I have mine if it were not that way how much fun would the world be? I tried the steel cased ammo in my AR and stuck 2, my little brother stuck 1, I have I know of helped at least 5 guys out at Banner range get cases out of thier AR's I'm not even going to mention how many I have heard got steelcases stuck in their rifles! I wish it worked in my rifle! it's a lot more economical but I just am not wanting the trouble so I don't use it, if you want to use it great!

No ammo bashing from me dude just stating that you will have a greater chance of it sticking in your chamber over normal brass cases, coat a brass case and your chances of it sticking in your chamber would be much better than naked brass. Later,

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You mean a nickle coated brass case will stick in my AR? Darn now there goes using Winchester Supreme ammo, and i always thought that stuff was good.
 

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Sorry Kirk, I wasn't trying to jump down your throat. I apologize for that. Just fed up with the way the thread went. Turned from helping a guy out to product bashing, always aggravates me. Be like somebody saying he wouldn't have had a case get stuck if he'd bought an AR off the left side of the "chart".

If I could afford it, I'd shoot PMC all the time. But with my budget and as much as I like to shoot, Wolf or Silver Bear is the way I like to go. I gave up trying to find the components for reloading them. I just stick to reloading my .308's and pistols.
 

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KurtM, dude come on really? let me explain this where you won't get the wrong idea Lacquer coated steel cases and or Lacquer coated brass cases. the case is not where the problem can crop up it's the Lacquer that can stick a case. The round goes off and produces heat which in turn can heat the Lacquer and melt it a tad where it glues itself into the chamber. Oh for the record nickel is a plating not a coating! so continue to use those Winchester Supreme's plated cases.

SDarkRage, no need to appologize I have pretty thick skin but in all reality I never intended my comment to bash anything or intended to stir up anything. I know if I posted some of the things that I do or use I'm sure that someone would surely chime in telling me how stupid or that it won't work but would come up with some reason to speak badly about what I did or have done and could do the same to others but why?
 

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Thanks for the info, I sure don't want to hurt my AR, but I looked up the hardness of nickle and it is pretty hard compaired to regular steel so will it wear my extractor and chamber faster than brass? Man you guys have really got me worried. Also nickle "plating" can flake off just like paint/lacquer. Would that gum up the gun or plug the gas system?

This forum is so great cause I can get the real answers to all this stuff from real gun proffessionals. Thanks!
 

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If I had answers to every situation that "could" arise with shooting I would have so much money with the books and conferences I would be putting on around the country :pms2: this would be a guess but I'm thinking that most people will do more damage cleaning thier firearms than actual firing! running a cleaning rod down the muzzel, not using a chamber guide stuff like that. I've seen nickle plating flake off of steel but brass and copper as a base not much unless there were some sort of impurity under the nickle, with the computerized lines they have now the days of pulling racks of parts where impurities could effect the plating have all but vanished but can still happen it's not a perfect world.

The discussion about what you shoot in your rifle and the effects would be like discussing barrel break in procedures or a better battle would be religion! it boils down to this, if it works for you and gets you the results you want then by all means continue with what you know and are confident in but don't bash or downgrade others for their ways or beliefs. A word of caution is always appreciated if you had a instance of failure doing what someone is posting about but no need to bash that's kinda childish. Later,

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If you read the other thread I referenced, I clearly indicated that people should shoot what works for them but be aware of the other issues. I also stated in that other thread that I prefer people shoot the steel case stuff so the brass inventory is more available for me. I have better things to do than sit around and think of ways to "bash" ammo.

I do not know why you need to bow out of the conversation unless you have problems with divergent view points. No one will agree with you 100% of the time, nor would my opinion ever elicit 100% support so I believe that your aggravation is misplaced and unwarranted.

Maybe you should go to the range and burn through a few boxes to relax. :) :fullauto:


I find it humorous that people bash a particular brand all the time because they had 1 issue with it and try to get everybody to steer clear of it. So here goes my bashing of ammo. DO NOT shoot Remington green box ammo by Wal-Mart! This one time, I had a squib! It's the worst ammo EVER! See how that works? Just because your gun doesn't like it doesn't mean nobody elses will either. My gun LOATHES the Remington ammo - I've had 1 squib, 3 no fires (tried it in my other AR and also my mini, still no fire), and no consistent groups at all. My gun absolutely LOVES Black Hills and PMC - super accurate and consistent but at 2-3 times the cost of Wolf. So, for me Wolf is the happy medium between cost and consistentcy.

Ok, in all seriousness here, my AR's run smoothly when they are clean. That's a fact. I can't run more than 200 rounds through my LMT of ANY ammo before I have to run a bore snake with CLP down it. My Stag could care less. I know my guns, I know what works well in them. But I'm not going to sit back and let people bash a brand and try to get everybody to stop using it because a couple people had issues. Like I said, I hate Remington but for other people it works great so more power to them. I'm not going to belittle them and tell them to stop.

And just to make everybody happy - my Kimber will not shoot any Wolf ammo reliably. It just will not feed the .45 steel cased loads.

I respectfully will bow out of this argument now because my opinion doesn't matter apparantly.
 

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I do not think the intent was to change the thread from help to a product bash. It was simply an effort to maybe prevent a re-occurence of the same issue.

Heck, you may even get more support on your opinion than I do for mine...

Like I said, I find it humorous how sensitive some individuals are to certain statements. :giveup:

Sorry Kirk, I wasn't trying to jump down your throat. I apologize for that. Just fed up with the way the thread went. Turned from helping a guy out to product bashing, always aggravates me. Be like somebody saying he wouldn't have had a case get stuck if he'd bought an AR off the left side of the "chart".

If I could afford it, I'd shoot PMC all the time. But with my budget and as much as I like to shoot, Wolf or Silver Bear is the way I like to go. I gave up trying to find the components for reloading them. I just stick to reloading my .308's and pistols.
 

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