Yes, it was mid-range too. I'm 63.
They have to be supervised from what I know. My wife is a NP and has never worked at an office where they do not have a MD or DO overseeing. My wife went to school for 6 years at OU getting her degree and worked her ass off to get it so when you say it "makes you sick to you stomach" you need to remember that these people are doing what they learned by the book or from their supervising physician.
You sir are an animal...you have the testosterone level of a healthy 30yr old...I'd be curious to see your PSA and Estradiol and DHT levels. But Just know that with T-levels like that naturally (assuming you do not use exogenous hormone replacement therapy), you probably have healthy heart, bones, etc. Not many people in today's world of xenoestrogens and hyper-feminization have John-Wayne testosterone levels in their 60's LOL. Keep doing what ever you are doing.
Remember, many physicians have a god-complex when in fact, their handlers are drug reps and the AMA liberal control-freaks; the drug companies set the curriculum at the major med schools and the big-pharma lobby money is greater than even the oil companies in Washington.
HAVING SAID THAT, I was in agreement with much of what the good doctor said in his response and the fact this so-called NP-D (if he really was one) DID NOT KNOW THE LAB RANGES BETWEEN MALE & FEMALE raises a red flag. My guess is hormones are not his/her specialty area, or this is a noob to the profession. Unfortunately, both "real" doctors and alternative practitioners make mistakes and each time they do, it gives fuel to the other side to make blanket statements or assumptions as we see here. Last I heard, they only get like 2hrs of nutrition training in med-school and depending on your issues and personality, might influence which kind of person to go see. Also, I believe it differs from state to state on whether a NPD can prescribe and if they are licensed to practice or not...I think Oklahoma doesn't recognize them like some other states does and like you said, they must practice under a "real" doctor.
I am skeptical of both because the quacks or just the uninformed always make the rest look bad, but it is hard to know who they are up front. I feel bad for patients of any doctor that misleads them. Again, congrads to the OP on his youthful hormone levels, now go beat your chest and shoot some guns!
Kirk, despite my tone, I have nothing against NP's that are supervised and kept on a short leash (hell, my wife is a NP!). I do have problems with NP's that are unsupervised and practice bad medicine. The OP's NP clearly wasn't supervised because any physician would've picked up that oversight in just a few seconds.
In Oklahoma, "supervised" is merely a formal term. To write controlled substances a NP has to have a physician as their supervisor but unlike physicians assistants, there are no rules about the "supervising" doc to be on site at any time or to review charts. There are a handful of NPs in the area running their own shops and their supervising doc really has nothing to do with the operation. It's just plain dangerous.
In Oklahoma, "supervised" is merely a formal term. To write controlled substances a NP has to have a physician as their supervisor but unlike physicians assistants, there are no rules about the "supervising" doc to be on site at any time or to review charts. There are a handful of NPs in the area running their own shops and their supervising doc really has nothing to do with the operation. It's just plain dangerous.
Well if they are a "real" NP or even educated Chiropractor, then I'd still consider them a medical practitioner verses your example of the online course people who have a PHD in 2 weeks LOL...but as for the real deal, some states even let Insurance companies pay for NP visits...but in those states there are probably more regulations governing the NP's verses Oklahoma. I think NP's are best for people with chronic, "sub-clinical" illness that is not immediately life threatening. They are HOLISTIC practitioners and don't just treat symptoms like tradition medicine seems to do. But if I get in a car crash or have a broken are, PLEASE gimmie a real ER doctor
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Wow... so so so so much in this thread that could use commenting upon.
Yet I will refrain.
Suffice it to say there are highly valuable and competent NPs out there, and there are total quack NPs who are both dangerous and damaging to the profession. The same can be said of physicians.
Yet I will refrain.
Suffice it to say there are highly valuable and competent NPs out there, and there are total quack NPs who are both dangerous and damaging to the profession. The same can be said of physicians.
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