Marines Choose 9mm Glock 19 OVER .45 ACP 1911 for Special Operators

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tomthebaker

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This is pretty close to the version that was told to me.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/legends/rjthomas.htm

Oft times, comments on this net are about GySgt. Carlos Hathcock’s sniping adventures in Vietnam. Here’s one that very few know about, but is probably just as good as far as accuracy during combat is concerned.

A Navy SEAL Team was returning from a mission over North Vietnam in a chopper when it got hit pretty bad. The pilot and one crew member were killed and the copilot was wounded. Going into autorotation, the copilot managed to set the chopper down in a clearing. After landing, a few rounds of enemy fire were starting to come in. Seems the M60s were also damaged beyond use by the crash landing and initial RPG hit, the only M16 fell out on the way down.

The only firearms left was M1911s.The remaining crew member was carrying a match conditioned M1911 and had a few boxes of ammo. As more enemy small arms fire started coming in, the copilot and crew member also noted that the VC were coming out of the jungle and approaching them; shooting as they came. The crew member took out his .45 and took careful aim as he shot at each attacking VC. About 30 minutes later it was all over. Between reloading magazines and radioing for rescue, the copilot was pretty busy, but a rescue chopper finally arrived on the scene.

As the rescue chopper came in and landed, its crew noticed a lot of dead VC laying around. The downed helo’s remaining crew were picked up and on their way out, they counted the dead VC; 37 in all. Their distances from the downed helo were from 3 to about 150 yards; all shot by the crew member with his M1911 .45 ACP. About 80 rounds were fired by Petty Officer R.J. Thomas, a member of the USN Rifle and Pistol Team.

Petty Officer Thomas was recommended for the Congressional Medal of Honor, but by the time the recommendation got all the way up through the chain of command, the recognition was reduced to the Navy Cross.

This incident has been cited this as the only known of example of top-level combat marksmanship since SGT Alvin York’s escapades in WWI.

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That story has been embellished quite a bit. According to a good friend of mine that trained under RJ in Seal team 5, it was the pilots pistol and only had 7 rounds. He missed the first shot and the next 6 were kills, keeping the enemy at bay long enough for help to arrive.

RJ was coming back from a major pistol match, which he won.
 

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That story has been embellished quite a bit. According to a good friend of mine that trained under RJ in Seal team 5, it was the pilots pistol and only had 7 rounds. He missed the first shot and the next 6 were kills, keeping the enemy at bay long enough for help to arrive.

RJ was coming back from a major pistol match, which he won.

Which is why I said pretty close. Bay told me that RJ called his first shot good but saw the bullet impact somewhere it shouldn't have. So, RJ had to hold off on his following shots.
 

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Regardless the cost of ammo, it doesn't cost the military a lot to produce small arms, a lot of this is due more to politic's than cost or logistics. The US military still lists over 20 different handgun cartridges on the books that are still being manufactured an stored. Everything from .22 short up to .45ACP. Its probably more to the tune of someone in congress or at the Pentagon that's getting their pockets lined by Glock to make sure it gets chosen over the 1911. The same happened with the P226 and 92FS. The final straw for SIG failing to get the contract was that Beretta already had a plant in the USA an SIG didn't. Based on actual price the SIG won the contract, but due to certain political issues between the US an Italy the Beretta was going to win no matter how bad it might fail. There were certain consessions that needed to be made over bases in Italy, and that was part of the deal. Granted the Beretta was an still is a good pistol, just as the SIG P226 is a good pistol, but you also ha ve to look at the consessions that we made to SIG to keep them from making a big stink over the whole thing, we also purchased a very large quantity of SIG P228's to be utilized by US Army investigators an chopper pilots, these were also given to the Air Force an Coast guard who later upgraded to the P229. Not everything will be known about the change from the 1911 to the M9, but NATO never was a big concern. Remember we are the largest member by size an money, and always made NATO change to us not to them.
 

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