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Parks 788

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Why are you missing that they passed that bill BEFORE.... again... it was passed BEFORE the walkout. Psssst..... BEFORE. The walkout was then continued because the funding wasn't close to the 200 million they needed for the classroom. This was plastered ALL over the news nearly 24/7. I don't know how else to say this.

http://www.newson6.com/story/37951490/timeline-of-oklahoma-teacher-walkout-2018

Here's a timeline. Took me 5 secs to find BTW.

Now the bulk of the funding was passed on March 29. A majority of this was the teacher funding, which you're beating your chest about for some reason. Stay with me...... THAT WAS BEFORE THE WALKOUT. Now this wasn't enough to come near the 200 million needed.

Now to simplify what happened in terms of legislature FOR the schools AFTER the walkout started was as follows.

April 2. Walkout.

April 3 Appropriations bill

April 4 Amazon tax bill passes house of representatives

April 6 Amazon tax bill and Ball and Dice bill pass senate. $5 hotel tax voted down. Teachers want capital gains tax exemption ended.

Amazon Bill (20million)

Ball and Dice Bill (~20million)

Hotel tax (50 million) <----didn't pass

Capital gains tax exemption ended (100 million) <----- didn't pass

Now, look how close that adds up to 200 million? Which is what I said they wanted for the schools? Psssst again... Teacher salary hike had already passed, got an amount of what they wanted for salaries, not nearly enough for school funding. They remained, and yes given the situation of the schools... gasp... it was for the kids. They got 40 million additional by remaining on the walkout. Wasn't enough, but whether you like it or not, that's why they remained and they stated so every day.

In a nutshell your whole theory is blown out of the water by the facts. Again this is common knowledge for people who live here and watched the whole thing play out.

Nothing is blown out of the water. You still haven't given the three numbers I'm looking for. Total dollars for the negotiations pre/during/post strike, how much for teachers salaries and how much for the classroom? I do find it funny, and typical, that the first big chunk negotiated was for teachers salaries. So what are the numbers? You've posted half dozen times since and you still haven't put out the numbers. You seem to have such great Googlefu, put them up.
 

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Nothing is blown out of the water. You still haven't given the three numbers I'm looking for. Total dollars for the negotiations pre/during/post strike, how much for teachers salaries and how much for the classroom? I do find it funny, and typical, that the first big chunk negotiated was for teachers salaries. So what are the numbers? You've posted half dozen times since and you still haven't put out the numbers. You seem to have such great Googlefu, put them up.

For some reason you can't understand me walking you through the whole scenario. I've been posting numbers in plain English and even posted a timeline, so I really don't know how to help you outside of that.

The first big chunk wasn't "negotiated"..... that's what the legislature brought to the table and passed after the list of demands were relayed by the teachers. Of which included 200 million for the classrooms was requested from the get go. They stayed IN the walkout because those numbers were not met with the initial passing of the bill. Common knowledge to Oklahoma residents.
 

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Geeze...another "damn the teachers" thread. Read the first page and skipped straight here...didnt need to read it all.

Why isn't anyone this upset with a state legislature who got paid last year for a job that still isn't finished. Now they are running a concurrent session that they want to end a month early. Talk about wasteful spending!
 

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Geeze...another "damn the teachers" thread. Read the first page and skipped straight here...didnt need to read it all.

Why isn't anyone this upset with a state legislature who got paid last year for a job that still isn't finished. Now they are running a concurrent session that they want to end a month early. Talk about wasteful spending!
They are trying to finish early to save dollars. $30,000 a day is what I''m told it cost us for them to be in session.
 

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But look at the number 2 school in NYC with 100% Minority 73% disadvantaged 100% take AP classes and 89% pass.
Oklahoma Need To Revamp their Education System

On the other hand there have been many cheating scandals there so without outside testing and evaluations should their success stories be taken with a grain of salt?
https://nypost.com/2016/07/03/school-leaders-allow-cheating-to-boost-the-numbers-staffers/

But maybe that school is doing something different than the many schools being closed there after hundreds of thousands being pumped into them along with teacher coaches, health clinics, and onsight social services, if so then there needs to be more serious investigation about what works to copy it and what doesn't to eliminate that.

New York City to Close 14 Failing Schools, Including 9 in Renewal Program
https://www.the74million.org/articl...iling-schools-including-9-in-renewal-program/
The Failure of 'Renewal Schools'
http://www.gothamgazette.com/opinion/7497-the-failure-of-renewal-schools

And while New York is known for their high level of funding..."Yet there’s scant evidence that the state’s exceptionally well-funded system on the whole produces dramatically better results".

New York’s public schools vastly outspend the nation
https://nypost.com/2017/07/25/new-yorks-public-schools-vastly-outspend-the-nation/

The question also arises as to whether their drive for high funding is just "for the children".

New Yorkers Pay $150 Million to Prop Up Bad Teachers, Then Send Them Back Into the Classroom
https://capitalresearch.org/article/new-york-rubber-rooms/
 

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