Geo. Kaiser wants to turn Tulsa into Austin!

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RIF. I haven't made a single comment on Kaiser's pet public projects in the metropolitan area. I honestly don't care whether he spends none of his fortune or all of it on parks or anything else. I've strictly focused on his politics and political goals, nothing else. Unless it's named "The George Kaiser Gathering Place for Liberalism", I don't care. The premise of the entire thread is Kaiser mentioning Austin as the goal. Specifically:



Now when you examine WHAT Austin has that Kaiser wants here, you must also examine HOW Austin got what Kaiser wants. The two are not mutually exclusive. So politically speaking, do you want Tulsa to become the next Austin? Or do you not?

Outside of that, you do not have my permission to mischaracterize my comments in this thread as relating to anything but politics. Mkay? :anyone:

How am I misrepresenting anything here? Yes RIF.

For Mr. Kaiser, a lifelong Tulsan, the park — projected at 100 acres, with a children’s museum — is furthering his goal of drawing entrepreneurs and young professionals who could make his city the next Austin.

Right so in the scope of the thread..... there's no quotation marks in that statement. There are all sorts of direct quotes all through the article and this one seems paraphrased? Not to mention that if it really was in passing and the OP is sounding the blue wave alarm. Over that? Sorry, it's quite silly.

Again, I maintain that he probably speaks or has spoken to the metrics of a city that has shown some commendable qualities. Given his foundation has focused on EXACTLY those qualities, which is more likely in his intent with regards to whatever conversation he had with the NYT?
 
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Now when you examine WHAT Austin has that Kaiser wants here, you must also examine HOW Austin got what Kaiser wants. The two are not mutually exclusive. So politically speaking, do you want Tulsa to become the next Austin? Or do you not?

Perhaps he, an undeniably successful businessman, sees a need for cities to attract folks like that in order to remain thriving that go beyond politics. Just a thought since we're all speculating wildly here about one sentence.
 

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Kaiser.? Sounds like a Kraut, probably a Nazi. Austin might be a Nazi breeding-ground but we don't need any Nazi parks around Tulsa.!

Thank you power of Deduction.
 
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Perhaps he, an undeniably successful businessman, sees a need for cities to attract folks like that in order to remain thriving that go beyond politics. Just a thought since we're all speculating wildly here about one sentence.
See now this is a problem, at least for some of us. The standard today that our city leaders grade themselves by is bringing in as many people as possible. Doesn't matter where they come from, or why, as long as they come. They consider that success.

To some of us, we like the sleepy little towns and the flyover state environment. There are tons of large metropolitan areas we could move to if we chose to. Our measure of success is just a bit different and the mantra of "a need for cities to attract folks" gets old real fast. We'd like to have a bunch of folks leave actually.
 

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See now this is a problem, at least for some of us. The standard today that our city leaders grade themselves by is bringing in as many people as possible. Doesn't matter where they come from, or why, as long as they come. They consider that success.

To some of us, we like the sleepy little towns and the flyover state environment. There are tons of large metropolitan areas we could move to if we chose to. Our measure of success is just a bit different and the mantra of "a need for cities to attract folks" gets old real fast. We'd like to have a bunch of folks leave actually.

that is fine, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But 1) it's hard to argue that Tulsa is a 'sleepy little town' anymore. And 2) his comments could have been as much about the type of person (entrepreneurs and young professionals) as it is the quantity of people. He could have been saying he wants to bring young talent to Tulsa, not just more bodies. The next job creators, not just worker bees
 

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I propose a new rule for this thread - before posting anything negative about what Kaiser has contributed to the Tulsa community, post how much you’ve donated. If it exceeds his then you’ve earned the right to critique his giving.
This is America. He can critique what ever the **** he wants to
 

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