Accidental breaking and entering and manslaughter

SMS · Sep 17, 2018

dennishoddy said:
Not what was in sms post. I’m replying directly to his report that it would have been impossible to get in. So how did she get in?)

Where did I say it would be impossible to get in?

She claimed the door was ajar, and opened under the force of her inserting her key. The type of door in use in this apartment seems to make that statement questionable.

There are a few other scenarios where she could've gained entry but we only have one side of the story.

jakeman · Sep 17, 2018

SMS said:
Where did I say it would be impossible to get in?

She claimed the door was ajar, and opened under the force of her inserting her key. The type of door in use in this apartment seems to make that statement questionable.

There are a few other scenarios where she could've gained entry but we only have one side of the story.

If you're expecting someone, or going in and out, in and out, you can throw the deadbolt while the door is open and the door won't close, much less latch.

I do it all the time in hotels when I'm going down the hall for ice.

caojyn · Sep 17, 2018

jakeman said:
If you're expecting someone, or going in and out, in and out, you can throw the deadbolt while the door is open and the door won't close, much less latch.

I do it all the time in hotels when I'm going down the hall for ice.

Hadn’t thought of that detail, if I were her I’d definitely put that in my story

TerryMiller · Sep 17, 2018

dennishoddy said:
If that were fact, how did she get in?

I had mentioned earlier that I'd seen a story where she had tried to open the door with her key, and that apparently the occupant had opened the door because he heard the attempted entry. Also as I had mentioned, this "event" has all kinds of stories going on around it as to what happened.

Annie · Sep 17, 2018

Jesus, you guys are something. :coffee2:

SMS · Sep 17, 2018

jakeman said:
If you're expecting someone, or going in and out, in and out, you can throw the deadbolt while the door is open and the door won't close, much less latch.

I do it all the time in hotels when I'm going down the hall for ice.

Oh for sure, me too. But the door doesn't just open under the force of me inserting my key with those types of doors. The spring is fairly heavy.

I'm skeptical but reserving judgement. I myself went to the wrong floor of a hotel and stuck my key in the door of the wrong room after working a particularly long shift at the end of a long work week back when I was on a travelling construction crew. I can absolutely see this part happening...it's just the part where it escalated to deadly force that really requires a hard look and critical thought before proclaiming guilt or innocence.

Dave70968 · Sep 17, 2018

SMS said:
Oh for sure, me too. But the door doesn't just open under the force of me inserting my key with those types of doors. The spring is fairly heavy.

I'm skeptical but reserving judgement. I myself went to the wrong floor of a hotel and stuck my key in the door of the wrong room after working a particularly long shift at the end of a long work week back when I was on a travelling construction crew. I can absolutely see this part happening...it's just the part where it escalated to deadly force that really requires a hard look and critical thought before proclaiming guilt or innocence.

Bingo. At the end of the day, however she got in, she was in a place she had no right to be, and killed the person who did have a right to be there. That's pretty much textbook negligent homicide:

Duty of Care: she had a duty to stay out of places she didn't belong
Breach of Duty: she didn't stay out of places she didn't belong
Injury: somebody got dead who shouldn't have
Proximate Cause: somebody got dead because she was someplace she didn't belong

QED.

donner · Sep 17, 2018

SMS said:
Oh for sure, me too. But the door doesn't just open under the force of me inserting my key with those types of doors. The spring is fairly heavy.

I'm skeptical but reserving judgement. I myself went to the wrong floor of a hotel and stuck my key in the door of the wrong room after working a particularly long shift at the end of a long work week back when I was on a travelling construction crew. I can absolutely see this part happening...it's just the part where it escalated to deadly force that really requires a hard look and critical thought before proclaiming guilt or innocence.

One report i heard last week said that the victim actually had taken steps to make his apartment more distinguishable by adding a large, red (IIRC) door mat that was unique to his place.

Not something someone would immediately notice if they were THAT tired, but also something that should have been the 'first indication' that she was in the wrong spot.

Hobbes · Sep 21, 2018

It's been 2 weeks now.
Have the results of the drug test been released?

Annie · Sep 21, 2018

Hobbes said:
It's been 2 weeks now.
Have the results of the drug test been released?

I don't think I've heard BUT I did hear on the news a couple days ago that Dallas PD was not going to conduct an internal investigation because they "did not want to interfere with the criminal investigation." What a bunch of hoo-ey ... :rolleyes2

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