Disabled American vet arrested in Muskogee walmart.

Tanis143 · Jan 7, 2019

kd5rjz said:
I'm not trying to defend any of the idiots involved in this case. I simply think doxing is not illegal, and that LEOs deserve the same doxing protections granted to everyone else: none.

Doxing anyone should be illegal. Its a terror tactic used by extremists to threaten people to toe the line they create. And as we have seen people use that info to terrorize. The police in this incident did nothing wrong and now they have to live in fear that some idiot is going to pay them a house call when they are not there.

JD8 · Jan 7, 2019

kd5rjz said:
I'm not trying to defend any of the idiots involved in this case. I simply think doxing is not illegal, and that LEOs deserve the same doxing protections granted to everyone else: none.

You said "Doxing is a powerful tool. It is the only tool some people have to hold their overlords accountable."

This mentions nothing about worrying about it being "illegal." I'm trying to provide that just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Just as you said though, nobody is really protected, but "doxing" is used as a form of passive-aggressive intimidation. It seems it fits your agenda so you are probably just fine with it, so long as it happens to certain people.

Dave70968 · Jan 7, 2019

Tanis143 said:
Doxing anyone should be illegal. Its a terror tactic used by extremists to threaten people to toe the line they create. And as we have seen people use that info to terrorize. The police in this incident did nothing wrong and now they have to live in fear that some idiot is going to pay them a house call when they are not there.

So what about me? I'm required to include my contact info on all filings (which are public records in almost all cases), and required to send copies to the other side in all cases, even the sealed ones. My name, address, and phone number, delivered directly to the guy whose kids I just arranged to take--not just some random crank on the internet, but the one person most directly affected.

I don't like it, but it's a fact of life. Making public information, well, public is not terrorizing anyone. If individuals use that information to misbehave, that's on them.

OKNewshawk · Jan 7, 2019

Mad Professor said:
Did I miss where all members of his party were being ID’d?

I did notice it looks like a self-check area and the Walmarts I have been to have it posted that a alcohol sales are not permitted in the self-check registers.

I even looked at WinCo and it was not posted so a asked the attendant. She said it was allowed there and came and entered a code when I scanned my beer.

There was an issue preventing sales at self-check registers but the issue was cleared up and sales at those registers is permitted once again.

Shadowrider · Jan 7, 2019

kd5rjz said:
I wonder why not being able to hide is such a touchy subject for "public servants"?

I would certainly hope anyone that harassed anyone or their family would be held accountable for their actions, but posting someone's information is hardly a crime.

Perhaps it should be?

Before the internet, in order to dox someone you had to do a lot of legwork to obtain the info and it was pretty easy to prove ill intentions based on the effort to obtain said info. Now days it's just a few mouse clicks away from being obtained and spread worldwide.

Tanis143 · Jan 7, 2019

Dave70968 said:
So what about me? I'm required to include my contact info on all filings (which are public records in almost all cases), and required to send copies to the other side in all cases, even the sealed ones. My name, address, and phone number, delivered directly to the guy whose kids I just arranged to take--not just some random crank on the internet, but the one person most directly affected.

I don't like it, but it's a fact of life. Making public information, well, public is not terrorizing anyone. If individuals use that information to misbehave, that's on them.

If it requires you to list your home address I am against it. I can see requiring your office address, phone number and work cell number. But if you are required to list your personal address I disagree with that requirement. Our home is where we should feel safest of all (main reason why you had the kids removed). The posting of one's personal address endangers that safety.

tRidiot · Jan 7, 2019

Tanis143 said:
If it requires you to list your home address I am against it. I can see requiring your office address, phone number and work cell number. But if you are required to list your personal address I disagree with that requirement. Our home is where we should feel safest of all (main reason why you had the kids removed). The posting of one's personal address endangers that safety.

I agree. I hate this. I do not want my home address out there, there are a lot of things you cannot do at all without listing a home address, and the bottom line is, regulations or no, too many people have access to it - employees at the pharmacy, etc. And almost no company really treats it as truly private information.

okierider · Jan 7, 2019

kd5rjz said:
I wonder why not being able to hide is such a touchy subject for "public servants"?

I would certainly hope anyone that harassed anyone or their family would be held accountable for their actions, but posting someone's information is hardly a crime.

BONUS: You can "dox" me in about 10 seconds (if you type slowly) using just the information contained in this post. You won't even have to go to the dark web and can just use a publicly available .gov database. I've made it a goal in life to not be one of those crooked people that has to hide.

dox
/däks/
verb
INFORMAL
gerund or present participle: doxing

search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
"hackers and online vigilantes routinely dox both public and private figures"

There is the definition of the word. I bring too your attention the words "malicious intent and vigilante"?
Doxing by it's nature is a form of terrorism used by spineless twits that are to scared to actually confront someone for perceived or actual slights or differences in political stance. The latter being the most prevalent in today's political climate.

Dave70968 · Jan 7, 2019

I have to put my work address, but my office is at home. Regardless, my bar number is on everything, and the bar directory is public. From there, land ownership is public record and searchable by name, and that's before we even get to my FAA and FCC licenses, etc.

kd5rjz · Jan 7, 2019

Dave70968 said:
I have to put my work address, but my office is at home. Regardless, my bar number is on everything, and the bar directory is public. From there, land ownership is public record and searchable by name, and that's before we even get to my FAA and FCC licenses, etc.

Agree, I have to use my home address for official business. I have to answer questions about my personal life and family from cross examining attorneys when testifying professionally (not to mention listing home addresses). I can't think of a single instance where I was able to make it through a deposition (usually related to electrical grids) where I didn't have to answer questions about my kids on the record. There absolutely no reason why public servants shouldn't be held to the same standard.

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