Let me ask you something, if I could. Can any rights be taken away under any circumstances?
That's the general idea. I want to discourage frivolous reports, and make ERPO type of actions as rare as I can.
I'm going to stay on the side of no property confiscation (guns or otherwise) unless a crime has been committed.
If they take someone's guns, why not take their driver's license and vehicles? Or their ability to buy gasoline & propane? If someone is bent on mass killing, vehicles and flammable fuels have been proven very effective.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Again, just my 2 cents.
If they take someone's guns, why not take their driver's license and vehicles? Or their ability to buy gasoline & propane? If someone is bent on mass killing, vehicles and flammable fuels have been proven very effective.
Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Again, just my 2 cents.
If the community at large is armed, the problem should take care of itself.
You can't pick and choose. 2A infringements affect everyone, not just the crazies.
My 2 cents.
Yes indeed, it is a very slippery slope. As with any new legislation, it needs to be put under a microscope. It needs to be examined to see if it will fulfill it's intended purpose it was written for AND it needs to be examined to see if it can be abused to advance agendas/run roughshod over an individual's Constitutional rights/laws.
In the case of these red flag laws, we already have a few examples where they have run roughshod.
2 points I'd like to make:
- I would put second amendment rights at the top of the list of importance. It's what keeps a citizen from being a subject.
- Yes obviously if a citizen is convicted by a jury of his peers in concordance with his other rights, he can be incarcerated/killed (which is losing a lot of rights)
I need to ask a lawyer about paying some off-shore software firm for a way to submit red flag complaints on NY democrats on an hourly basis, every day. Until they have to review 50,000 cases a day or more. I wonder if it's false accusation if an Indian does it. Either way they are flooded with cases to review.
this is exactly the reason why we need a second amendments protection act passed that prevents the ban and confiscation of already legal firearms now EVEN IF federal law is passed we could make a state law that would conflict with federal law.
so we could essentially make a law that over-rides federal law and lets say "assault weapons" or any modern sporting firearms like ar-15s are nationally made banned, with a state protection law they would still be legal in our state. WE NEED to get something like this going and talk about it.
so we could essentially make a law that over-rides federal law and lets say "assault weapons" or any modern sporting firearms like ar-15s are nationally made banned, with a state protection law they would still be legal in our state. WE NEED to get something like this going and talk about it.
I don’t agree with this statement. We have seen time and time again the Supreme Court refuse to hear 2A cases. They won’t stop this. Nobody will but us. But as I always say, no one cares enough to do anything. We just sit here and watch as the tyrants rip up the constitution.
Two words: due process. They are missing from the "red flag" laws.
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Good luck with the bond thing, and "ALL records of any guns owned are destroyed" is a pipe dream, especially in NY.
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