Method of Execution

tRidiot · Apr 27, 2019

Pretty much any physician could come up with a plan in literally seconds to accomplish the goal with any person. Give me a supply of meds available in any hospital or ER in the country and it would be done, with a minimum of fuss, no pain outside starting an IV (or an IO if you can't get a vein easily.

It's not rocket science, there's essentially no debate, no mystery and no difficulty. It's the courts and lawyers and anti-death penalty groups that have brought about this "problem".

And that's exactly what they want.

donner · Apr 27, 2019

tRidiot said:
Pretty much any physician could come up with a plan in literally seconds to accomplish the goal with any person. Give me a supply of meds available in any hospital or ER in the country and it would be done, with a minimum of fuss, no pain outside starting an IV (or an IO if you can't get a vein easily.

It's not rocket science, there's essentially no debate, no mystery and no difficulty. It's the courts and lawyers and anti-death penalty groups that have brought about this "problem".

And that's exactly what they want.

i agree, but i'm guessing the 'any physician can come up with a plan' part might not mean that plan is Constitutional (in the sense of avoiding cruel and unusual punishment).

And yes, the antis have done a great job of creating a catch 22 for states regarding releasing the ingredients of the cocktail for that state. Withhold the information and there is no way to know if the cocktail is 'humane' (for lack of a better term). Release the information and risk running afoul of the drug companies that would prefer their products not be associated with killing people (and for the purposes of those doing business in the EU, the legal prohibition for sales for that purpose).

It might be maddening to some, but i don't fault the defense attorneys for doing their jobs.

(and i admit, part of my interest in this is that i don't support the death penalty in most instances. Not because of the cruel and unusual part so much as my issues with the application. But that is another thread entirely)

MacFromOK · Apr 27, 2019

An overdose of anesthetic shouldn't be a problem. Folks are sedated regularly for surgery with no memory of pain or cruelty.

Fyrtwuck · Apr 27, 2019

okmedic said:
The medical way works fine. Every argument people have against it is ridiculous. Patent line and plenty of meds = done job. And there are a number of different meds that will do the trick. The only issue with the meds if I remember was the manufacturer not selling it to the state for that purpose. That should be an easy enough thing to work around tho.

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Buy each chemical ingredient that makes up the final product from different sources. Once all the ingredients are received, mix them up and inject.

okmedic · Apr 27, 2019

CorpsVet said:
The same constitution that protects your rights, also prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment"

IMO when you commit a crime worthy of capital punishment, those rights are out the window. They should put a bunch of options in a hopper and make someone pull out a piece of paper. That would decide it. And televise it in prime time.

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Mack45 · Apr 27, 2019

Be sure to include monster truck demolition derby in that drawing.

rlongnt · Apr 27, 2019

tRidiot said:
Pretty much any physician could come up with a plan in literally seconds to accomplish the goal with any person. Give me a supply of meds available in any hospital or ER in the country and it would be done, with a minimum of fuss, no pain outside starting an IV (or an IO if you can't get a vein easily.

It's not rocket science, there's essentially no debate, no mystery and no difficulty. It's the courts and lawyers and anti-death penalty groups that have brought about this "problem".

And that's exactly what they want.

^^^This!

I've been put under exactly one time but I'm here to tell you I didn't remember a thing after four or five seconds when they ask me to count down from ten.

Whatever they gave me could easily be given to anyone and whatever it takes to do the deed after with zero pain at all.

As far as Clayton Lockett goes... Ef.. That SOB.. Whatever he felt was nothing compared to what his victim "Stephanie Neiman" felt being shot twice yet buried alive!

I hope it hurt that SOB Lockett like #ELL, and good riddance POS!

What about her rights?

dennishoddy · Apr 27, 2019

MacFromOK said:
Hanging is very effective, but it's pretty much an imperfect art. A skinny guy needs more drop distance than a 3-400 lb fat guy... and even if you give the fat guy just enough momentum to snap his neck, his head may come off anyway.

Very true. A distant relative of our family who was a hardened criminal, bank robber and train robber, Black Jack Ketchum was hung in Clayton NM in 1901. Pictures of it are in the local hotel and restaurant.
Here is the story of how and why it happened. He even remained on his feet with no head for a time after the hanging went bad decapitating him.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/11/23/the-hanging-of-black-jack-ketchum-didnt-go-as-planned/

Snattlerake · Apr 27, 2019

nick.410 said:
Firing squad

I like it. We could use economy of scale if we have multiples too if you line em up just right and use a 50 BMG. About $2.50 per bang.
That is the best instance of bang for buck I can come up with.

dennishoddy · Apr 27, 2019

rlongnt said:
^^^This!

I've been put under exactly one time but I'm here to tell you I didn't remember a thing after four or five seconds when they ask me to count down from ten.

Whatever they gave me could easily be given to anyone and whatever it takes to do the deed after with zero pain at all.

As far as Clayton Lockett goes... Ef.. That SOB.. Whatever he felt was nothing compared to what his victim "Stephanie Neiman" felt being shot twice yet buried alive!

I hope it hurt that SOB Lockett like #ELL, and good riddance POS!

What about her rights?

I agree with our constitution about cruel and unusual punishment, but in the case of Lockett, I'd sure like to see an exception. He was from Ponca City originally and well known for his nefarious acts almost always related to drugs and intimidation. He would have been the perfect example of three strikes and you're out. He was in and out of the courtrooms constantly.

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