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TerryMiller

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So many falsehoods in this post. Let me simplify the answer though:

No study has actually said pot is a gateway drug anymore than any study has proven banning the AR15 will make us safer.
Socialist policies have ruined the 6 cities you mentioned, not the fact that weed was legalized.
Rationalize it? How about compare it to drinking alcohol. Some people can partake in alcohol without having any problems, others abuse it.

The only real social impact it has is the fact so many people end up in prison for possession or sales. You don't see people stealing for a marijuana addiction, those are generally addicted to other drugs like coke, heroin and meth.

1. Can you cite a "study" that proves that MJ is NOT a gateway drug?
2. Perhaps socialist policies have strongly contributed, but that includes legalizing weed.
3. I'm sorry, but someone "selling," even just MJ, is just a "wee bit" more serious than just possession of the same. That can be adding to the "social impact" upon others and not just those imprisoned.
 

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The feds just need to legalize weed. There are a lot of good benefits from
It. It has to be about money or it would have been done already. Apparently the government can make a lot off of it being illegal so that’s why it still is. Alcohol is by far worse and causes thousands of deaths a year yet it’s legal. Well let me rephrase that. The people that use the alcohol cause the accidents. But you get my point. How many deaths do you hear about because of marijuana? Opiates are causing all kinds of deaths and yet it’s still legal. But not the devil weed. Oh no! Not the evil devil weed.
 

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Another dope thread, ad nauseam; ad infinitum..

Along with the usual suspects, of course.

People who defend their addictions (and, alcohol is addictive, but those are two separate issues. M'kay?) deliberately ignore what we've learned in this last decade. "What might that be?" you ask?

Four simple words: Denver, Durango, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles and San Fransicko. Well, that's nine words, but you get the point. Their massive tent cities, "homelessness" (aka, bums and addicts) have one thing in common, viz. they're drawn together by narcotics. And those cities are the epicenters of states that legalized recreational marijuana. That's the future of Oklahoma but, hey! As long as you get your fix, it's all good.

But, go ahead and rationalize and justify and smoking that crap.

Because at some point the feds are going to merge the pot cards with the 4470 rolls and, when DC does so, they will come knocking.

Smoking cigarettes is bad, but smoking dope is good? Sounds like the rationale of a degenerate addict.
I know someone that uses MJ because nothing else relieves the pain he has. He is almost 70 and has a terminal disease that I cannot pronounce. He takes very strong opioids and they don’t give him the relief he needs to be able to sleep. When he uses weed it takes the pain away and he is able to sleep. There is an actual use for it. Are there a lot that want it legalized just because? Yes. But there are many that have an actual need for it. God put it here for a reason. It ain’t all about getting high. So go ahead and stereotype everyone that is in support of it as “foreheads” or whatever else.
 

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Look I am no expert on criminal activity, but I have watched a lot of LivePD and other cop shows. So that makes me as much an expert as all the non Leos and Non Lawyers in here.

I can say without a doubt. Not all weed smokers are criminals but 93.7% of Criminals seem to have weed on them when they are busted. If they are busted with hard drugs they always seem to have some weed with it. Coincidence? I think not...
 

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1. Can you cite a "study" that proves that MJ is NOT a gateway drug?

Not anymore than you can cite a study that proves it. What they have found is that THC acts like nicotine and alcohol in that it reprograms dopamine receptors and makes the user more susceptible to other stimulants. So yes, most people who have tried or use other drugs have done or do marijuana as well, but correlation does not mean causation as many people who use marijuana do not use any other drugs. If you were so worried about that then we need to ban nicotine and alcohol use as well. And we already know how that would work out. In reality weed is no different than alcohol. I can be used responsibly, if it was legalized and restricted just as alcohol was.

2. Perhaps socialist policies have strongly contributed, but that includes legalizing weed.

Again, correlation does not equal causation. 100% of people who die drink water, so does drinking water cause their death?


3. I'm sorry, but someone "selling," even just MJ, is just a "wee bit" more serious than just possession of the same. That can be adding to the "social impact" upon others and not just those imprisoned.

This is because laws make it illegal. Just as alcohol spawned the growth of the mobsters in the roaring 20's, the war on drugs fueled the growth of gangs in 70's to today. If weed was legalized and sold just like alcohol most of the social issues attached to marijuana would be gone. Instead of buying from Mr. Drug Dealer down in the hood, you could buy from a dispensary which would be infinitely safer both in location and product.
 

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1. Can you cite a "study" that proves that MJ is NOT a gateway drug?

this right here seems to be the biggest problem for people arguing for legalization. People who are against it (not specifically Terry, mind you) will always point to the dangers and ask for near 100% safety since they know it's not possible.

Now, if weed was legal and the discussion was about controlling it then we'd never suggest banning it (and likely would ridicule the idea of banning something that you can grow at home). We'd treat it like we do alcohol or tobacco.

anyway, carry on
 

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I have no desire to smoke it and would never give up my right to bear arms for something like weed. That said I would think in the next 10-15 years it will be legalized on a federal level. To much revenue is being passed up by not taxing the #$%^ out of it. Honestly I am amazed that people still smoke cigarettes today with the social stigmas combined with known health risks and outrageous cost of smokes. The libertarian part of me says if people want to make themselves stupid on something they are going to do it regardless of what the law says. So tax it and stop putting people in jail over it.

If it ever does become legal it will be interesting to see what happens to the criminal justice system. I don't think weed makes criminals I just think criminals like weed. Same as they like meth and Colt 45 Malt Liquor and so on.
 

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I don’t use drugs other than occasional caffeine and alcohol, and I don’t have any desire or plan to.

I support legalization of all drugs. Government has no business telling free men what they can or can’t put in their bodies. Secondary effects of drug use on society are no justification for imposing the majority’s will over the individual’s free will.

But if my kids ever use drugs, they’ll come home to find a switch in my hand waiting for them.
 

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