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That is just his style.
Y'all that think professors have a tough job should try to match the hours that Oklahomabassin, myself and others in the real world have to work in adverse conditions.
I don't need to pontificate, we know where the real work in this world goes on, and it's not in an airconditioned office with some snowflake papers in front of us to grade.
Yes, we all in every job throughout the spectrum of society contribute to the success of this country in our own way, which is why we are the great society that we are now, but I went to college too and saw a lot of folks getting a quality education and a whole lot that were there to have the "college experience".
One of my HS classmates is a professional college student. He has been going to college since 1969 and has yet to get beyond the bachelor's degree. He was on Grenada when US troops had to go in and rescue the American Citizens there. He may still be a student, I don't know. All he was in for was smoking dope and having good times. His Doctor dad financanced his endeavors.
Yeah, that's an outlier example, but just had to put it out there.
I don't need to pontificate, we know where the real work in this world goes on, and it's not in an airconditioned office with some snowflake papers in front of us to grade.
Yes, we all in every job throughout the spectrum of society contribute to the success of this country in our own way, which is why we are the great society that we are now, but I went to college too and saw a lot of folks getting a quality education and a whole lot that were there to have the "college experience".
One of my HS classmates is a professional college student. He has been going to college since 1969 and has yet to get beyond the bachelor's degree. He was on Grenada when US troops had to go in and rescue the American Citizens there. He may still be a student, I don't know. All he was in for was smoking dope and having good times. His Doctor dad financanced his endeavors.
Yeah, that's an outlier example, but just had to put it out there.
That is an example of her and several other tenured Professors at OU. I suppose your position is they all earn their salaries and every student who graduates college is highly educated and ready to rule the world? Meanwhile the government keeps loaning thousands of dollars to 18 year olds, some of who waste that money on fancy off campus housing, astronomical tuition, and degrees in fields they can’t get a job in. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Been divorced 3 times and never cost me a cent except for the paperwork and filing fees. Lawyers are another great example of a high priced education that many of them just file copy and paste paperwork at the courthouse and rip their clients off with ridiculous fees. Not all, but many.
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Someday, when you really need one, you’ll change your mind.
Notice you have a weak argument so you have to resort to a polarizing straw man argument? Essentially, all or nothing?
My position is that I actually stepped foot on campus for academic reasons, I actually took the classes you speak of. SO the reality lies between "they all are teaching one class" and "they all earn their salaries." Anyone that steps foot on campus notices that a vast minority will be instructing one course. In fact I never saw one and I was attending the College of arts and Sciences. In which we even had the Letters and Classics degrees in our college, something I guarantee you the MENSA know it alls of OSA would ultimately scoff at. Never saw one professor like you speak of. Not saying they don't exist in some fashion, it's just insane to believe they are even close to representing the majority.
My position is also that all walks of life should entertain what they want to learn. However, it's all upon them to fulfill their responsibilities from getting that education. I DO believe that a trade education infrastructure needs to become a priority but Oklahoma has some darn good programs as previously mentioned. I believe that the majority of the problems you seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder about apply elsewhere and you're trying to apply them here. The problems in education IMO, lie initially, within the school systems due to bloated administration. Problem is that I think you'll have a tough time getting people to vote to consolidate because too many populations have their identities wrapped up in their schools. I hope I'm wrong and I hope it happens but it would take some outside the box thinking. Now on the collegiate level, have you by any chance even browsed the colleges at OU? (since you seem to have a chip on your shoulder). College of Engineering? Business? Earth and Energy? International Business? My point is that these colleges by far and large employ degrees that will probably allow someone to find a good job, of course that's up to the individual. There ARE some colleges that entertain SOME degrees like the cliche Women's Studies, etc etc..... but someone would have to be insane to believe these are even close to being the majority here in Oklahoma. Naturally if you were to go to California or NY, or any true liberal arts college in the US, then you're going to see what you're speaking of. However, until you have some real world knowledge, don't apply that cliche here like it's the same situation.
I don’t have a chip on my shoulder but I, like many, think that colleges and local public schools have too many highly paid Professors and Administrators in positions that could be and should be consolidated. I also think it’s stupid to loan thousands of dollars, sometimes hundreds of thousands, to kids that have no clue what they want to be when they grow up. When and if they do graduate they have huge loans to repay and in many cases, the education they received is worth no where near the cost they paid.
I’m sure there are a lot of hard working people in these schools as well and a lot of students that apply themselves in classes that will enable them to get a good job when they graduate. The system is in dire need of revamping. Whether that will ever happen or not remains to be seen.
I don’t have the apparent vast knowledge of the system you claim to have acquired. I went to 1 semester at UCO back in the day where I majored in cutting my English class to go play golf. I joined USMC after that semester, served 4 years, then worked at USPS for 35 years where I worked my way up from carrier to District Operations Manager. I did take several college classes along the way which required me to attend class and write a paper once in a while. I supervised a lot of college graduates over the years that decided the pay and benefits beat what they could get with their degrees. I’m retired now with a pension of just under 3 figures that will last until I die. I spend most of my time playing golf and voicing my opinion on some forums, Twitter etc. I had you on my ignored list but you bring up some good points. I’m sure glad we have you to enlighten us. Just curious, what do you do for a living now?
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Here's the thing, to your complaints about laziness and funding or whatever..... currently in Oklahoma 27% of the funding comes from the state. Opposed to ~70% thirty years ago. When did you live with that professor? Times have changed it seems. So you're getting what you want going by the numbers.
I don't necessarily think the college system in Oklahoma is nearly as bloated as the public system. If we venture out of state, then all bets are off from what I've seen. Do you honestly think that OU is pumping out the women's studies majors by the thousands? If so, then like I've been saying, head to campus. This isn't say that they are perfect either, I can see some changes like TU has done in terms of consolidating programs that are hemorrhaging money for sure. But, I have a little less concern about colleges because you cannot force people to take certain classes. We are talking adults, or we should hold them accountable as such. IMO you're probably going to have to lead by example or institute a culture change, in which, in my opinion I don't claim to have a vast knowledge of college, I'm just relaying that if you step on campus you'll see that a majority of professors don't only teach one class, not even close. On the other hand, the public system is quite a different story and definitely needs consolidation.
To your question though, I broker commercial insurance and bonds and mainly specialize in the construction, manufacturing, and transportation sectors. Which is a polar opposite of what I went to school for, but that doesn't mean that education hasn't helped me along the way. Either way, I see all sorts of contractors, journeymen, small, large business owners, on a daily basis. Whether it's the employee or employer, you see wide range of work ethic, integrity and business practices. I see guys trying to start up businesses left and right that could benefit from a simple finance or business class, and I also see junior out of college wanting to start a business when he should've come back and worked for his dad's business on the ground level for a while, or any business for that matter. So the clichés can go both ways. The "us vs them" mentality is tiring, the guys that have the boots on the ground experience AND at least a remedial knowledge of business and finance and vice versa, are typically the ones that I see that are the most successful. What I'm getting at is that education is a tool, be it at college or a trade program, whatever.... it's all about how you use it to your advantage.
In the same sense I can give you the names of all sorts of contractors and service industry boys that "work in adverse" conditions that are lazy as can be or rather do just enough.....perform subpar work.....and many "smoke dope" and drink all day too. Anecdotes are fun.
With respect to whatever job you're speaking of or any job that would make Mike Rowe proud, I'd almost guarantee you a class full of 3rd graders would overrun a majority of the cynical folks here. It's all relative.
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