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It is in fact prohibited. DOD Directive 1344.10 covers it. As a retired USMC Officer, I understand the regulations and quite frankly, support it.

Military Personnel may and are encouraged to do such as things as vote, contribute, and even have a political bumper sticker. But the reg specifically prohibits members from using their uniform or position for political gain of another through such things as displaying large signs like this on your vehicle. It has long been a tradition in the Armed Services that military members serve the country, not the political powers of the day. It is difficult to explain further without a more detailed lesson on military customs and courtesies, but just read the DOD Directive and understand that servicemen and women are sworn to fight in defense of the nation and that means they really can’t or shouldn’t show over-the-top public loyalty to an individual.

Like I said, I understand the rationale behind this. We don’t fight for President ________, we fight for the NATION; it matters not who sits in the White House as far as giving 100% on the battlefield or in following lawful orders.

The correct procedure if one thinks they’ve been given an unlawful order is generally, follow it, then Request Mast to your Commanding Officer. At least in the Marine Corps, Request Mast was sacred. I was the CO of several different units and my jr officers and NCOs knew right from the start that I insisted that I see a Marine who had requested a formal audience within 24 hours. Additionally, NO REPERCUSSIONS are allowed if an individual requests mast. Now, having said that, if I were to address this issue I would have explained why the huge sign was not allowed, and I would have done so so he would “get it” and we could move on.

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Yep and Army Regs also state that a rear window decal can only be so big before its considered and obstruction. IIRC 8x8 inches is the max size if centered or near the center of the rear window.
 
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Thanks @rc508pir; that’s a good point. Each individual service also has their own service-specific regulations that address political activities as well, including things like bumper stickers, T-Shirts, and other things as pertains to its members on active duty. For those interested, Google is your friend. Suffice it to say that in the USA, the military sits apart from political loyalties or alliances. It isn’t a violation of Free Speech, not does it inhibit or in any way influence how an individual does such things as vote, or contribute to someone’s campaign. Those who serve choose to follow certain rules and so on that others are not bound by.

If you don’t like the rules, then finish the terms of your contract and get out. No one forces a person to re-enlist, and no one forces an Officer to stay on active duty beyond their initial obligation.


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The 2016 Presidential Elections were the first Elections that I really paid attention to as I had just retired from the Military, I found the interest of service Members very interesting as for many years i swore that "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the Officers appointed over me." "That I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion." Pretty simple stuff really, the Military is the action arm and without the removal of political prejudice there is no chance of solidarity within the ranks. The HUGE sticker flies in the face of Duty and should be removed IOT assist in maintaining "Good order and Discipline." The Military is not the place for politics and the advertising of such can and will be thought of in the same light as KKK, Neo Nazi, Gangster Disciples, Care Bear enthusiasts and lepers.
Example: Racism is commonly associated with the current POTUS, some factions within the Services might associate the window sticker as an attempt to state their racial prejudices in line with absolutely nothing the Military has been trying to instill for a few hundred years. Totally counter productive in the eyes of most Commands. Silly? Maybe, yet the facts are the facts.
 

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Wrong. Clearly you don’t understand it.


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Oh, but I do understand the military having served well over twenty years. I tis not a democracy, we don't get to vote on who we eat as supervisors and they tell us what we are to do at any given whim.
 

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Oh, but I do understand the military having served well over twenty years. I tis not a democracy, we don't get to vote on who we eat as supervisors and they tell us what we are to do at any given whim.

Sounds like your service was way different than mine. It also sounds like you were disappointed in the way things were done. Let me just ask you this then: Do you think that the person should have been allowed to have that great big MAGA sign on his truck or not?

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The Armed Forces is not supposed to be a democracy. The idea that people could vote in order to choose their leadership blows me away. That is so far fetched...I have decided you must be trolling me; you have to be if you served over 20 years and think that is a viable option. Just fess up; you’re guffawin’ me and others, right? And Commanders having subordinates just “do stuff on a whim?” I laughed at that as hard as I did on the voting thing! @John6185, I have to hand it to you; you actually had me going there for awhile. You must have had a pretty good MOS, one of those that smart guys get, in order to pull my chain like you did!


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Sounds like your service was way different than mine. It also sounds like you were disappointed in the way things were done. Let me just ask you this then: Do you think that the person should have been allowed to have that great big MAGA sign on his truck or not?

I had to edit to add a bit:
The Armed Forces is not supposed to be a democracy. The idea that people could vote in order to choose their leadership blows me away. That is so far fetched...I have decided you must be trolling me; you have to be if you served over 20 years and think that is a viable option. Just fess up; you’re guffawin’ me and others, right? And Commanders having subordinates just “do stuff on a whim?” I laughed at that as hard as I did on the voting thing! @John6185, I have to hand it to you; you actually had me going there for awhile. You must have had a pretty good MOS, one of those that smart guys get, in order to pull my chain like you did!


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Nope, I was Air Force, we had an AFSC vs MOS. Do I think the person should have the option to have the MAGA decal on his rear window? It doesn't matter to me as long as the individual can see unimpeded through the rear window for safety's sake. Yes, I have see some Commanders do things spontaneously without much forethought. You see, physicians sometimes don't make the best commanders, they are best applying their skills-they don't; want to command, they'd much rather use their medical skills appropriately. Yes, Air Force personnel are able to vote for their political candidates, absentee ballots in combat zones as well as other areas. I see that made some typos in my last post and I apologize, let's be friends and not belabor minor issues shall we?
 

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