I hope this isnt so....but

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Yeah, we're already there. The algorithms have been in place for quite some time. Most of the social media platforms don't even use human moderators to perform certain actions such as account suspensions and bans. They use bots which automatically scan for key words and phrases. In the r/politics sub on Reddit, you'll be auto-banned for "inciting violence", if you so much as post the phrase "Molon Labe".

The trick is convincing the average American that it's crucial for you to use their services, then control and modify your behavior with the threat of cutting you off if you don't comply with their standards. They are the modern day equivalent of the street corner heroin dealer. Social media withdrawal is a real thing. Cutting off people's electronic world access will literally cause physical symptoms the way drug withdrawal will.

By comparison, OSA is positively prehistoric. We rarely ban anyone and when we do, it's done by a human. There's no algorithm (within OSA) that's analyzing your every post and deciding when to cut you off. Unless a Mod happens to see your ban worthy post, another human has to report you. Sites like Reddit (which is a buzzing hive of liberalism) have entire threads full of bots conversing with each other. It's kinda funny, kinda creepy because what they're doing is learning to mimic human created electronic content and conversations.

Then you have to look at what the DoJ did under Obama and Holder, deeming entire industries as unpalatable and using the enforcement arms of financial industry oversight to "encourage" banks to cut off their financial services. When the federal government can deem your law abiding business persona non grata and cut off your access to financial services, that's what we in the business call a "clue".

We still have a LOT of Americans who are sleepwalking through this dangerous period. It wasn't too long ago that we had major level hacks of celebrities accounts (Duck Duck Go: "The Fappening" but VERY NSFW). People put the most intimate details of their lives online and they don't even bother to worry about hackers enough to have firewalls, encryption and strong passwords. How do you get through to them that all of those things are meaningless to the systems themselves and the people running them? If your data is on an electronic device with connectivity, people and systems you don't know have that data too.

The Chinese are learning this very fast right now. The reason China went all capitalism wasn't because of the economic benefits. They saw the writing on the wall and they wanted in early. They recognized that electronic media and communications were going to outstrip their old school ways of controlling their population. What good is the HUMINT asset next door or wired eavesdropping, when the target is texting silently to someone across the country or around the world? They HAD to go consumerism and hook their population on cheap Huawei personal devices and messaging apps like WeChat, because that's connected directly to their intelligence services. Over 25,000 individual resumes of Huawei employees lead directly back to Chinese intelligence employees. 3PLA has 1.9 MILLION intelligence employees alone, which doesn't even include their Ministry of State Security and all the other state security apparatuses. It may not matter to you, but if you have a Huawei phone or use one of the China based messaging services, they have direct access to everything you do on them.

Do you honestly thing our intelligence services aren't learning from their adversaries? Even if they aren't monitoring all electronic communications of American citizens full time, that capability is already programmed, loaded and a few keystrokes away from full operational capability. People think there's no way they can successfully single out the potential threats to government? LOL, they don't even require a human because those bots are crawling all over the web and wireless comms, scouring for the things their masters feel are threats to their control objectives.


TL;DR: Yes this is here, now and in it's infant stages, but it's growing rapidly. Our elected representatives are woefully inadequate to counter the threat, even if they were so inclined.
 

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According to the story, and what I saw earlier this week, Trump is considering using data from listening devices to work with red flag gun laws. I DON'T know if it's true.

I know my OnStar vehicle is connected, even tho I don't pay the fee. So I'm guessing my cussing out drivers on the way home could eventually get my guns taken away.
 

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TL;DR: Yes this is here, now and in it's infant stages, but it's growing rapidly. Our elected representatives are woefully inadequate to counter the threat, even if they were so inclined.
How infant state is it really? When Google helps the Chinese with their AI and nueronet tech and then builds search engines for them to utilize these technologies for implementation into China's social merit system to go fully online in 1/2020, how safe are we when our very president is even considering this type of draconian despotism against We The People. The ends does NOT justify the means.
Also many a person do not have even a cursory understanding of what it is that nueronet tech is capable of, or that it even really exists. I have done some research on this and it is some pretty scary stuff when you start talking about true parallel processes and special cognition in the machines that tech and gov are using to "monitor" for terrorism.
Somebody called me paranoid, no I'm not paranoid nor am I foolish enough to believe for one second that the gov will not turn this on We The People. That is not being paranoid that is being aware of, and knowing your adversary.
 

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How infant state is it really? When Google helps the Chinese with their AI and nueronet tech and then builds search engines for them to utilize these technologies for implementation into China's social merit system to go fully online in 1/2020, how safe are we when our very president is even considering this type of draconian despotism against We The People. The ends does NOT justify the means.
Also many a person do not have even a cursory understanding of what it is that nueronet tech is capable of, or that it even really exists. I have done some research on this and it is some pretty scary stuff when you start talking about true parallel processes and special cognition in the machines that tech and gov are using to "monitor" for terrorism.
Somebody called me paranoid, no I'm not paranoid nor am I foolish enough to believe for one second that the gov will not turn this on We The People. That is not being paranoid that is being aware of, and knowing your adversary.

I mean infant state as in comparison to what stage it will be in as far as widespread implementation in 5-10-15 years from now. It’s dangerous now but it will control impactful components of our lives in the future, on a more widespread scale. :(
 

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Yeah, we're already there. The algorithms have been in place for quite some time. Most of the social media platforms don't even use human moderators to perform certain actions such as account suspensions and bans. They use bots which automatically scan for key words and phrases. In the r/politics sub on Reddit, you'll be auto-banned for "inciting violence", if you so much as post the phrase "Molon Labe".

The trick is convincing the average American that it's crucial for you to use their services, then control and modify your behavior with the threat of cutting you off if you don't comply with their standards. They are the modern day equivalent of the street corner heroin dealer. Social media withdrawal is a real thing. Cutting off people's electronic world access will literally cause physical symptoms the way drug withdrawal will.

By comparison, OSA is positively prehistoric. We rarely ban anyone and when we do, it's done by a human. There's no algorithm (within OSA) that's analyzing your every post and deciding when to cut you off. Unless a Mod happens to see your ban worthy post, another human has to report you. Sites like Reddit (which is a buzzing hive of liberalism) have entire threads full of bots conversing with each other. It's kinda funny, kinda creepy because what they're doing is learning to mimic human created electronic content and conversations.

Then you have to look at what the DoJ did under Obama and Holder, deeming entire industries as unpalatable and using the enforcement arms of financial industry oversight to "encourage" banks to cut off their financial services. When the federal government can deem your law abiding business persona non grata and cut off your access to financial services, that's what we in the business call a "clue".

We still have a LOT of Americans who are sleepwalking through this dangerous period. It wasn't too long ago that we had major level hacks of celebrities accounts (Duck Duck Go: "The Fappening" but VERY NSFW). People put the most intimate details of their lives online and they don't even bother to worry about hackers enough to have firewalls, encryption and strong passwords. How do you get through to them that all of those things are meaningless to the systems themselves and the people running them? If your data is on an electronic device with connectivity, people and systems you don't know have that data too.

The Chinese are learning this very fast right now. The reason China went all capitalism wasn't because of the economic benefits. They saw the writing on the wall and they wanted in early. They recognized that electronic media and communications were going to outstrip their old school ways of controlling their population. What good is the HUMINT asset next door or wired eavesdropping, when the target is texting silently to someone across the country or around the world? They HAD to go consumerism and hook their population on cheap Huawei personal devices and messaging apps like WeChat, because that's connected directly to their intelligence services. Over 25,000 individual resumes of Huawei employees lead directly back to Chinese intelligence employees. 3PLA has 1.9 MILLION intelligence employees alone, which doesn't even include their Ministry of State Security and all the other state security apparatuses. It may not matter to you, but if you have a Huawei phone or use one of the China based messaging services, they have direct access to everything you do on them.

Do you honestly thing our intelligence services aren't learning from their adversaries? Even if they aren't monitoring all electronic communications of American citizens full time, that capability is already programmed, loaded and a few keystrokes away from full operational capability. People think there's no way they can successfully single out the potential threats to government? LOL, they don't even require a human because those bots are crawling all over the web and wireless comms, scouring for the things their masters feel are threats to their control objectives.


TL;DR: Yes this is here, now and in it's infant stages, but it's growing rapidly. Our elected representatives are woefully inadequate to counter the threat, even if they were so inclined.
George Orwell warmed us all about this day, it’s now upon us.
 

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