Does that also apply to someone trying to lose weight?
I see quite a bit of fat shaming on this forum.
Does that also apply to someone trying to lose weight?
I see quite a bit of fat shaming on this forum.
I applaud anyone who sincerely wants to and is trying to get healthy and better themselves.
People do need to ask themselves though if 1) they genuinely want to quit, or 2) if they're continuing a habit of their own volition and are in denial of potential health affects (and that's vaping, smoking, diet, body weight, over-imbibing, recreational THC, etc...)
I don't mean to bust out more science this forum will ignore, but it's due dilligence and I'm just wasting time until bedtime. In this particular case, vaping is statistically safer than smoking.
CDC estimates there are 34-ish million smokers in the US. Just under half are currently living with a smoking related health issue. 1300 people die everyday directly caused by smoking. Just under 10% of those deaths are from second hand smoke exposure.
CDC also estimates 9 million, other journals suggest 10-ish million vapers. 450 illnesses have been reported, 5 deaths are 'confirmed' vaping related although they haven't yet been able to prove the cause. There are leading theories that this could be the effects of inhaling atomized vitamin e, THC, cannabidiol oils, etc... but the science isn't complete yet. There are event specific papers to be published for peer review later this week. (google calcium overdose when you get time. Not at all related, but incredibly fascinating considering they put it in kid friendly candies and gummies that are easy to pop like candy)
Vaping currently has a 0.045 incident ratio. That's a 0.0005 vape to death ratio.
Smoking has a 0.47 incident ratio. A smoke to death ratio of 0.0141.
The quick math would suggest smoking is roughly 28 times more dangerous than vaping... but that doesn't yet equate to vaping being 28.2 times better than smoking. Also, scientific due diligence is to be fair and balanced, those smoker numbers are skewed. We have cut way down on smoking over the last three decades. Fewer people are smoking, but those who have already quit are still suffering those consequences, but I can't find a source for that particular by-the-numbers breakdown.
There's no argument to be had over the numbers. The science is incomplete, so it really can't be used to clear or condemn vaping yet. But statistics are statistics.
Statistics also suggest that just owning a gun increases your odds of being shot 4.5 times higher just for owning a firearm. 5.5 times higher if you engage in self defense.
CDC estimates there are 34-ish million smokers in the US. Just under half are currently living with a smoking related health issue. 1300 people die everyday directly caused by smoking. Just under 10% of those deaths are from second hand smoke exposure.
CDC also estimates 9 million, other journals suggest 10-ish million vapers. 450 illnesses have been reported, 5 deaths are 'confirmed' vaping related although they haven't yet been able to prove the cause. There are leading theories that this could be the effects of inhaling atomized vitamin e, THC, cannabidiol oils, etc... but the science isn't complete yet. There are event specific papers to be published for peer review later this week. (google calcium overdose when you get time. Not at all related, but incredibly fascinating considering they put it in kid friendly candies and gummies that are easy to pop like candy)
Vaping currently has a 0.045 incident ratio. That's a 0.0005 vape to death ratio.
Smoking has a 0.47 incident ratio. A smoke to death ratio of 0.0141.
The quick math would suggest smoking is roughly 28 times more dangerous than vaping... but that doesn't yet equate to vaping being 28.2 times better than smoking. Also, scientific due diligence is to be fair and balanced, those smoker numbers are skewed. We have cut way down on smoking over the last three decades. Fewer people are smoking, but those who have already quit are still suffering those consequences, but I can't find a source for that particular by-the-numbers breakdown.
There's no argument to be had over the numbers. The science is incomplete, so it really can't be used to clear or condemn vaping yet. But statistics are statistics.
Statistics also suggest that just owning a gun increases your odds of being shot 4.5 times higher just for owning a firearm. 5.5 times higher if you engage in self defense.
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Something to that comment evidently. I used to get asked if I smoke and reply no on Dr Visits when you do the initial paperwork.
In the past that was the end of the question, but now at the VA and my private practice Dr., they want to know when you quit smoking.
Don't know if that is because of some study going on or what?
It's because the incidence of complications goes down the longer you abstain. Sometimes they want to ascertain your total "pack-year history", as well.
You sir are only fooling yourself just as smokers did for many years. There simply is no good reason to put that stuff in your body. Getting yourself of nicotine is your best bet. Please consider it as it could still save your life.
You think I've not tried? I am SLOWLY lowering my nicotine level, but before vaping I tried quitting multiple times. I tried patches, gum and lozenges. But I was addicted to nicotine long before I started smoking. After spending my first 12 years with two smokers (almost 4 packs a day between the two of them) then just 7 years with one 2 pack a day smoker I left for college. Soon after I developed severe mood swings with anger being more frequent. I had problems concentrating, so much in fact that classed I used to have no problems with were now a struggle. After 3 semesters I ended up smoking after realizing that when I did a few times at parties I started to feel "normal" for a short time. After 1.5 years of being away from constant cigarette smoke the symptoms never went away. Fast forward to around 2008. This was my first attempt to quit with patches. Step 1 was ok, step 2 I started to feel antsy and was easily irritated. When I got to step 3 I was starting to get unbearable and at times my wife would almost tell me to have a cigarette. I ended up buying a pack because I hated the way I felt. Hid it from my wife even though I found out she knew I was sneaking outside to smoke. In 2009 I tried again, same result even though I augmented it with nicotine gum, or tried to. That stuff caused havoc with my gums. It wasn't until July 29th, 2011 that I smoked my last cigarette. Made the switch to vaping and have not had a single cancer stick cince. From 2011 I started with 16 mg/ml strength liquid. Just last month I stepped down to 3 mg/ml liquid. So over 8 years I've been able to drop it, but if I go too quickly then I go back to being irritable, quick to anger, and have issues with concentration and deduction. In 8 years I went from having at least 2 sinus infections a year to having 2 total over 8 years. My last checkup my PCP told me my lungs sounded like I had never smoked. I used to struggle just going up 3 flights of steps (why anyone builds apartments with more than 2 stories and no elevator is beyond me) now I run up and down them easily.
As for the science behind it? Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin have been used by the medical industry for several decades for medical inhalers, breathing treatments, etc. They even pump PG into the ventilation systems because it attaches to particles in the air and pulls them down to the floor. They vaporize the pg and vg the exact same way ecigs do, with heating elements. Nicotine does not change its chemical composition when vaporized this way. The only unknown is long term effects from vaporized artificial flavorings, however they are able to make estimated effects based on the chemical analysis. And while there is still some minute danger to long term health, its so much safer than smoking its ridiculous. The best analogy is skydiving. Vaping is skydiving with a parachute, smoking is just jumping out of the plane with no chute.
It's not "vaping" in general that is causing this, vaping has been around for a while so why is this epidemic happening now? It's Vitamin E acetate used in the cheap chinese juul pod juices, thc cartridges and nasty homemades. It is not the PG or VG in premium vape juices. While vaping is not perfectly safe, it is not the monster its being generalized as the past few weeks. Chinese make cheap products, they dont care what goes into your body. Premium juices are made under very strict FDA regulations in sterile enviroments..
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