What additional gun control is coming this week?

TwoForFlinching said:

Is the "universal background check" meant to require a 4473 for private transactions?

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dennishoddy said:

All were legal owners purchased through the current system.

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TwoForFlinching said:

I thought the Odessa-Midland shooter failed his 4473 and picked up a second hand AR private party. At least, that's what I read. Whether or not it's accurate is something the gov probaboy won't admit.

Purely devils advocate, but what if universal only applied to sales? As if you could gift a firearm in the complete absence of compensation, cash and trade. Then you'd be free to hand down firearms through your lineage. Sure, there would be those that cheat the system, but it'd be no different than the questionable 'non-dealers' that seem to eek out a small profitable market in private sales and transfer. Not that the many should pay for the few, but would a familial included exception be a better argument than asking for the same rights as criminals?

Don't get me wrong, laws don't prevent crime... I'm just prepping for the inevitable debate.

I had the PD come knocking on my office door once because a gun I sold on Armslist came up used in a crime. I wasn't even the 4473 OG buyer. Just another dude in the loop... but they guy I sold it to ended up banging in another neighborhood. They were cool about it, and I sat there quietly, biting my tongue as they lectured me. Didn't use armslist for a long time after that.

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dennishoddy said:

Your correct on the Odessa shooter. My mistake, but the background check worked right? He got one on the black market which is what criminals do. Was it a stolen firearm? I haven't heard.
If the Universal only applied to sales, there would have to be a check or money order to offer proof of sale, otherwise a cash deal would go under the radar being called a "gift".

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TwoForFlinching said:

They haven't said whether it was a gray area private sale, such as armslist, or procured through black market shenanigans. But would that argument around UBC's be that they won't stop black market availability? So there's no use in punishing lawful citizens?

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dennishoddy said:

There is absolutely no reason to punish lawful citizens

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Aries said:

Okay, that's good news if it holds up. This was interesting, in the article....

"The president has been in regular contact with Democratic Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Republican Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Democrat Chris Murphy of Connecticut for several weeks on a bill that would require background checks on commercial gun sales, including at gun shows and online."

Am I missing something in the terminology of "commercial gun sales" or something? What in that statement is not already law??

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TwoForFlinching said:

They haven't said whether it was a gray area private sale, such as armslist, or procured through black market shenanigans. But would that argument around UBC's be that they won't stop black market availability? So there's no use in punishing lawful citizens?

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