"Real ID" for flying ?

Glocktogo · Oct 2, 2019

The State of Oklahoma announced several weeks ago that they'd get an extension from DHS. DHS didn't confirm that until last week, but they have confirmed we'll get another 1 year extension. The State of Oklahoma won't even be able to issue RealID compliant state ID's until next spring.

Once I have an official document I can share, I will. Until then, you'll just have to trust the .gov.

Glocktogo · Oct 2, 2019

Hangfire said:
I stand to be corrected but I thought I heard on the noon news that all states were told to get the "Real ID" process implemented ten years ago but Okla. and three other states have been dragging their butts for some reason......wonder how come ?

RealID is a serious 10th Amendment issue for states.

saddlebum · Oct 2, 2019

Hangfire said:
Had to fly.......I suppose I should have said, "after arriving home from that trip."

I thought there was going to be a good story about 2 dog sleds, three mules, four ferry's and a 2500 mile uber ride

BlackRifle · Oct 2, 2019

I'm flying up to Ohio this month. I don't know if it would do me any good,but I'm bringing birth certificate just in case.

TwoForFlinching · Oct 2, 2019

donner said:
no constitutional right to fly, is likely one aspect. Also the historic disenfranchisement issues that have come from adding stipulations to being able to vote (poll tax, reading tests, etc) make voter ID efforts more difficult to enact.

I do believe your right to travel, inside the borders of the USA, is constitutionally protected under your fourth article. RealID and the requirement of a license could be argued that this is an unconstitutional tax. Wouldn't win or hold up, but that fight would be a fun one to watch. That same section two bit is used to argue for national concealed carry all the time.

SMS · Oct 2, 2019

BlackRifle said:
I'm flying up to Ohio this month. I don't know if it would do me any good,but I'm bringing birth certificate just in case.

Birth certificate is not a valid form of ID for TSA checkpoints. I'd leave it safely at home.

okierider · Oct 2, 2019

Hangfire said:
I stand to be corrected but I thought I heard on the noon news that all states were told to get the "Real ID" process implemented ten years ago but Okla. and three other states have been dragging their butts for some reason......wonder how come ?

Oklahoma pretty much drags their butt on everything !!!

John6185 · Oct 2, 2019

bigfug · Oct 2, 2019

TwoForFlinching said:
What is the complaint from the state on this? Are they putting it off until the fed grants the monies to pay for it? Are they worried it's some sort of national ID? Why is it required to prove your identity to fly, but not required to vote?

They were offered grant money for the first few years that they were requiring compliance. The state turned it down since they thought the shared database, ie granting the federales access to our records etc was unacceptable and overstepping their bounds. At one point I think more than one dozen states had lawsuits against big.gov trying to stop it.

bigfug · Oct 2, 2019

donner said:
no constitutional right to fly, is likely one aspect. Also the historic disenfranchisement issues that have come from adding stipulations to being able to vote (poll tax, reading tests, etc) make voter ID efforts more difficult to enact.

That would be a slippery slope to me. On what basis would you consider it not a right? If that technology were denied since its "not a constitutional right to fly", what would stop them from saying the internet etc was not constitutionally protected? I mean, is the Real ID to fly really any difference than a DL to drive? Is driving constitutionally protected? Or MSR's etc are not protected?

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