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Here is the language of the contracts I've seen quoted. Did the state request renegotiation 180 days prior to expiration?
https://www.ok.gov/OGC/documents/Model Compact.pdf

B. This Compact shall have a term which will expire on January 1, 2020, and at that time, if organization licensees or others are authorized to conduct electronic gaming in any form other than pari-mutuel wagering on live horse racing pursuant to any governmental action of the state or court order following the effective date of this Compact, the Compact shall automatically renew for successive additional fifteen-year terms; provided that, within one hundred eighty (180) days of the expiration of this Compact or any renewal thereof, either the tribe or the state, acting through its Governor, may request to renegotiate the terms of subsections A and E of Part 11 of this Compact.
 

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With all the casinos already in the state I don't see any big time players wanting to come here for the little slice they would get. That's a heck of a gamble given the cost of building a big casino. I think that is a bluff by Stutt.
I have read the compact and like it or not it appears to auto-renew because of the horse track in okc adding machines. It's a complicated quagmire of a mess.
I'd be betting on the tribes coming out on top. Any one of them they are part of the lawsuit have legal budgets 10 times as big as the state.
 

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What dumbfounds me is that the FEDS have jurisdiction over the tribes. Sooooooooo.....

1. How do the Feds/Federal Government and even the state allow a monopoly in Oklahoma??? Only allowing ..in Oklahoma..a certain group of people a business...isn't that a monopoly?

2. How do the Feds and the state allow or even promote discrimination? Can only white people own a casino in any state? Can only blacks or any other race be the ONLY ones to own a business? If the answer is no....then why can't nontribal casinos be allowed on nontribal land....like other states? Again...isn't the OKC area part of the original unassigned lands? That's why you don't see a sign telling you what tribal land your leaving in the OKC area.

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No one allows the monopoly; the state and tribes agreed to it. But it goes to federal court because it's a dispute between soverign states (just like when OK sues Arkansas, for example).

The tribes can run their own gaming; they don't need the state to permit them. They effectively grease the state's palms with the compact to keep the state from allowing any other entities (state-owned, or state-authorized private entities) to operate gaming. The state COULD allow other gaming, were they not prudish teetotalers back in the day and outlawed it for everyone until the tribes started their gaming operations. The state likely makes WAY more off the massive tribal enterprises' cut they get at any rate (and I mean literally the rate they collect) than were they to reopen to other entities and try to get a cut off those newer, meager operations.

The tribes aren't being petty; they built this industry up over the last several decades from the bingo-hall beginnings, and have basically built this to provide them a ton of revenue for their citizens but also a large amount for the state that they've been paying through the compacts. They're not playing harball here; Stitt's the one who's going to shoot himself in the foot getting greedy when the Tribes take their ball and go home and OK is left with zero revenue as @thor447 alluded to.

I gotta laugh at all y'all here praising the OK.GOV for wanting to increase revenue collections. When was the last time y'all ever agreed you wanted the state to take more money from a business LOL?

Also, Stitt is doing the same thing with the hunting/fishing licenses. Wildlife Commission and the tribes had terms set to renew their agreements of the Nations' buying their members licenses, but Stitt refused to hear it. The Cherokee just renewed for 1 year, but the Choctaw (last I heard) still hasn't heard a peep from the Governor's office. The Wildlife Commission is being deprived of significant revenue here, because the tribes buy a TON of licenses for their citizens, because our bone-headed governor's ego is trying to "win" some negotiation with the tribes.

For the record I've been overall happy with Stitt. WAY better than the prior Governor. But I'm not happy with the way he's trying to play negotiating with the tribes. He's VERY likely not gonna win either.
 

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No one allows the monopoly; the state and tribes agreed to it. But it goes to federal court because it's a dispute between soverign states (just like when OK sues Arkansas, for example).

The tribes can run their own gaming; they don't need the state to permit them. They effectively grease the state's palms with the compact to keep the state from allowing any other entities (state-owned, or state-authorized private entities) to operate gaming. The state COULD allow other gaming, were they not prudish teetotalers back in the day and outlawed it for everyone until the tribes started their gaming operations. The state likely makes WAY more off the massive tribal enterprises' cut they get at any rate (and I mean literally the rate they collect) than were they to reopen to other entities and try to get a cut off those newer, meager operations.

The tribes aren't being petty; they built this industry up over the last several decades from the bingo-hall beginnings, and have basically built this to provide them a ton of revenue for their citizens but also a large amount for the state that they've been paying through the compacts. They're not playing harball here; Stitt's the one who's going to shoot himself in the foot getting greedy when the Tribes take their ball and go home and OK is left with zero revenue as @thor447 alluded to.

I gotta laugh at all y'all here praising the OK.GOV for wanting to increase revenue collections. When was the last time y'all ever agreed you wanted the state to take more money from a business LOL?

Also, Stitt is doing the same thing with the hunting/fishing licenses. Wildlife Commission and the tribes had terms set to renew their agreements of the Nations' buying their members licenses, but Stitt refused to hear it. The Cherokee just renewed for 1 year, but the Choctaw (last I heard) still hasn't heard a peep from the Governor's office. The Wildlife Commission is being deprived of significant revenue here, because the tribes buy a TON of licenses for their citizens, because our bone-headed governor's ego is trying to "win" some negotiation with the tribes.

For the record I've been overall happy with Stitt. WAY better than the prior Governor. But I'm not happy with the way he's trying to play negotiating with the tribes. He's VERY likely not gonna win either.
But he won't lose anything and might win, that's why he is a business man. He goes after you. Love it.
 

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But he won't lose anything and might win, that's why he is a business man. He goes after you. Love it.

Well, he can lose a bunch of state money throwing it at a lawsuit he's going to lose. Like when Pruitt (and the state of NE) tried to sue Colorado back in 2014-2016. But it's not HIS money, it's someone else's (just like a good CEO would want LOL).
 

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