Casinos and Stitt

Legend · Jan 16, 2020

BobbyV said:
Don't most of the "big time players" already have a stake in the management of the larger tribal casinos? I know years ago that when they were being built near Chilocco that there were outside management corps involved to get them going for the Tonkawa Tribe.

A few of the smaller tribes use outside management. But any that are successful are keeping it in house.

What I've seen from everyone beside the Gubernur and the Aryan nation is similar to this.

From News9 website today:

https://www.news9.com/story/4157001...8rGIOCMDn5A7CE__ISQkgVIqJjqOFIg2Zm32i8-W4Bt18

Legend · Jan 16, 2020

KOPBET · Jan 16, 2020

If contracts auto-renew, then why put in an expiration date at all?

tRidiot · Jan 16, 2020

KOPBET said:
If contracts auto-renew, then why put in an expiration date at all?

Absolutely... already pointed out... the auto-renewal is for if no one wants to change it. Someone obviously does. Whether they notified of that change or not in the terms, I don't know.

But... someone give me a good reason why we SHOULDN'T re-evaluate the situation? Seriously... besides, just keeping more money in the tribe's pockets, which isn't a valid reason to me, in the least.

Tell me why.

Gunbuffer · Jan 16, 2020

Cards81fan said:
They aren't taking - gamblers are freely giving. And they don't care who's giving. Have you not seen all the Asian-Americans in there? LOL

The two are never mutually exclusive. Ever hear of “give and take”?

Even the 20th century lyricist and philosopher Huey Lewis has this to say about the two-

“Workin' for a livin', livin' and workin'
I'm taking what they're giving 'cause I'm workin' for a livin'”

CHenry · Jan 16, 2020

Everyone claims the casinos bring jobs (they pay schit but) and hospitals to OK.
Try going to one of them class 3 hospitals and report back on your luck getting goo fast care...mmmkay?

SMS · Jan 16, 2020

All of the other arguments and issues aside, the language is pretty clear that auto-renewal only occurs if no one wants to renegotiate.

The state, through the Governor, notified the tribes of that renegotiation request in July, by official letter.

For the tribes to pretend that doesn’t meet the letter of the law is laughable.

CHenry · Jan 16, 2020

yep^^

dennishoddy · Jan 16, 2020

BobbyV said:
Seriously? Who told you that the EPA doesn't have jurisdiction on tribal land?

The Dallas office of the EPA told me they didn’t have jurisdiction after multiple phone calls and pics sent via text to their office.
The US coast Guard also told me that the issue was on tribal property and they couldn’t help because they only regulate spills on navigable waterways. When I sent them pics of crude oil running into a creek that lead to the Arkansas River 1/2 mile away, I was told it was on the Osage tribe side and they couldn’t help.
When I contacted the BIA environmental office for Osage county, they came out, looked at the spill and left.
The next day a crew with absorbent came out and only worked on the spill around the tank battery that did not have a liner nor a containment berm big enough to contain a spill of that volume.
The clumps of crude on my land and two other neighbors land was not touched. Utility poles, fences, posts, and trees still have crude on them to this day. Nothing was cleaned up.
Repeated calls to the BIA environmental office do not get returned.
Oklahoma Attorneys representing the DEQ don’t have glowing things to say about the Osage environmental track record.
If you have any inside information about how this situation could be relieved, I’m more than willing to listen. 8 months of living with bottled water sucks.

O4L · Jan 16, 2020

dennishoddy said:
The Dallas office of the EPA told me they didn’t have jurisdiction after multiple phone calls and pics sent via text to their office.
The US coast Guard also told me that the issue was on tribal property and they couldn’t help because they only regulate spills on navigable waterways. When I sent them pics of crude oil running into a creek that lead to the Arkansas River 1/2 mile away, I was told it was on the Osage tribe side and they couldn’t help.
When I contacted the BIA environmental office for Osage county, they came out, looked at the spill and left.
The next day a crew with absorbent came out and only worked on the spill around the tank battery that did not have a liner nor a containment berm big enough to contain a spill of that volume.
The clumps of crude on my land and two other neighbors land was not touched. Utility poles, fences, posts, and trees still have crude on them to this day. Nothing was cleaned up.
Repeated calls to the BIA environmental office do not get returned.
Oklahoma Attorneys representing the DEQ don’t have glowing things to say about the Osage environmental track record.
If you have any inside information about how this situation could be relieved, I’m more than willing to listen. 8 months of living with bottled water sucks.

It doesn't surprise me that none of the agencies you contacted seem to care.

I once had raw sewage running into my water well from a neighbor's yard and DEQ was no help at all.

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