Trust ? Will you take the vaccine.

MaddSkillz · Jan 5, 2021

Aries said:
I'm pretty sure you're going to see health issues 2,3,4 decades down the road that you don't have now whether you get any vaccines or not. It's also possible that you'll have issues 2,3,4 decades down the road from the virus, even if you're one of the 99.9% that survive it.

It is possible, but I accept the risks... So far, the "long term" health effects of COVID aren't any worse than the long term health effects of the Flu which are stroke and heart attack.

It's not entirely about the death rate. There are two major problems with this pandemic, one is health related and the other is economic impact. As long as the infection rate is high, especially with a lot of hospitalizations, there are going to be efforts to reduce them, which means people are going to stay home, which means they are not going to spend money, which hurts the economy, and shut downs just exacerbate the economic problem. Even setting aside sickness and death rates, it IS an economic nightmare.

COVID didn't destroy 25% of businesses in New York and New Jersey, government did that. To assume we need to do anything other than allow people who feel they're at risk, to stay home while the rest of us continue to grease the wheels of the economy is ignorant. We've launched nukes at a ant-pile. This economic nightmare exists only due to governments gleeful overbearing authoritarianism. COVID didn't do this.

If you're reluctant, don't get it, I don't think anyone should be forced to. But if no one gets it, this just continues to go on longer, maybe indefinitely. I'm hoping enough people take it to get this under control.

I'm all for anyone putting in their bodies what they want to even if it's tide pods. Just don't mandate the rest of us do the same else I might mandate bullets for yours.

CHenry · Jan 5, 2021

RickN said:
Not to bad.

34% lost all quality of life or life itself from the vaccine. Thats unacceptable to me.

Jcann · Jan 5, 2021

MaddSkillz said:
Some of you all are so confident and I just don't see how you can be. Your faith in the "medical establishment" is not something I'm even remotely capable of.

Can we assume your shadow will never darken the threshold of a hospital or doctors office for medical reasons? I guess smallpox and polio magically cured itself. That is, until the naïve anti-vaxxers started to influence the postmodern generation.

DavidMcmillan · Jan 5, 2021

CHenry said:
Are cancer deaths dropping do to advances in the chemo meds or more early detection? I believe its more so the latter. Thehy push early detection like regular checks at the OBGYN for women and everyone to get a colonoscopy by age XX, etc. Now they have full body scans that detect a tumor and those scans are priced so anyone should be able to have one. The advanncment of Proton therapy and improvements in Radiation also are factors. Big Phama creats customers, not cures.

Those advancements in early detection, radiation, etc. did not come from the "internet experts", but from those same "Big Pharma" and other research facilities that are responsible for advancements in vaccines and other meds. Okay with radiation but not vaccines?

CHenry · Jan 5, 2021

Jcann said:
Can we assume your shadow will never darken the threshold of a hospital or doctors office for medical reasons? I guess smallpox and polio magically cured itself. That is, until the naïve anti-vaxxers started to influence the postmodern generation.

Polio nor smallpox have been eradicated.

MaddSkillz · Jan 5, 2021

Jcann said:
Can we assume your shadow will never darken the threshold of a hospital or doctors office for medical reasons? I guess smallpox and polio magically cured itself. That is, until the naïve anti-vaxxers started to influence the postmodern generation.

Polio is a cleanliness or lack there of, disease. We've learned not to play with our own **** or other people's **** and that alone helps to erradicate diseases and the spread of diseases like Polio. Unfortunately, the vaccine doesn't get all the credit.

I've also not said vaccines don't work. I just don't believe we fully understand or know the cost.

Jcann · Jan 5, 2021

CHenry said:
Polio nor smallpox have been eradicated.

Via vaccination in some countries it was, the US being one of them.

RickN · Jan 5, 2021

I do believe in vaccines and modern medicine. That said I also believe in letting them find the long term side effects before taking it. If I feel that way about pot being used for medicine, and I do. Why would I trust rushed vaccines any more? Let them find anything wrong before taking it.

Aries · Jan 5, 2021

MaddSkillz said:
I'm all for anyone putting in their bodies what they want to even if it's tide pods. Just don't mandate the rest of us do the same else I might mandate bullets for yours.

I said you shouldn't be forced to take it, so this is REALLY un-called for.

CHenry · Jan 5, 2021

Jcann said:
Via vaccination in some countries it was, the US being one of them.

I disagree. Like Madskillz said, indoor plumbing and cleanlyness that followed has helped eradicate or slow ALL disease more than any drug in my opinion. 10 people (larger families back then) sharing the same wash basin as a sink all day and the same bathwater...think about it.

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