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    Default Re: Crimea votes for secession .

    Quote Originally Posted by uncle money bags View Post
    Dutch, I have to ask, do you agree with what Putin's goals are as stated by you?
    I have no use for any religion or government on this planet. As a creation of the Creator my only interest is in living free. I'm realist enough to realize so long as governments exist, I'll never be free as the Creator intended. My loss.

    Having said that, knowing what I know of Putin (which I don't glean from western media), his goals are nationalistic in scope in rebuilding an Orthodox Christian Russia. His intent is no different than that of many of the Founders of this nation who stated and wrote of a moral people who would practice Christianity without infringement by government here in the US. The problem is that as with every government in existence today, there is a group that is intent on subverting morality as mentioned in supposed holy texts (John 8:44 for the Christians on this forum) as it benefits them and their immoral ways. These immoral people are at the top levels of the USG and as such are steering this nation down a highway of destruction. Those with eyes will see. Those who don't... oh well.

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    Do you see religion as a man made perversion of what the Creator has intended?

    I know I am going to regret asking this.

    Who is the Creator?
    " If I cannot be a good example Lord, please let me be a terrible warning"

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    Default Re: Crimea votes for secession .

    Dutch is opposed to statism.
    Unless its a theological statism he is sympathetic with.

    That's a statism he can get behind.
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    Default Re: Crimea votes for secession .

    Quote Originally Posted by uncle money bags View Post
    Do you see religion as a man made perversion of what the Creator has intended?

    I know I am going to regret asking this.

    Who is the Creator?

    Religion is man's means of controlling others via guilt. It's an extension of politics. Both are one and the same. The American Civil Religion (love of country, flag, pledge, institutions, national holidays, etc).

    As for Creator... the Intelligent Designer and cause of the first cause. Whether ID is a spirit, energy, or something all together beyond human comprehension is an unknown. Humans have anthropomorphised ID to guilt people into "believing" things that contradict the evidence presented by nature. Miracles, supernatural, paranormal, etc.

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    Default Re: Crimea votes for secession .

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbes View Post
    Dutch is opposed to statism.
    Unless its a theological statism he is sympathetic with.

    That's a statism he can get behind.
    I have no theology so your comment is baseless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henschman View Post

    I don't think the U.S. government has ever given isolationism a fair chance. As far as foreign entanglements go, I am of the opinion that we would all have been a lot better off if the government had stuck with the John Quincy Adams doctrine over the last Century and stayed out of Europe's bloodbaths, the Sino-Japanese war, and every other conflict since... but then it's hard to prove a negative. Of course we DO know the consequences of those particular interventions... half of the globe delivered into the grasp of a collection of the worst tyrannies in human history, probably the worst of which is still alive, well, and more powerful than ever (the Chinese Communist Party).

    Fear mongering aside, it is hard for me to imagine how things could have ended up any worse if Americans had minded their own business all last Century and let the collectivists blast each other into oblivion.
    Isolationism, like Marxism, works far better as an idealogical thought experiment than as a strategy for national policy. An integrated world economy does not lend itself to such notions.

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    So, do you believe "ID" is apart from or a part of the creation.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_60 View Post
    So, do you believe "ID" is apart from or a part of the creation.?
    Read my signature. Some truths mankind will never ascertain.

    Your question has nothing to do with Crimea, Ukraine, Russia or those seeking to engulf the world in yet another world war by which they will enrich themselves at the expense of mother's sons dying needlessly. My interest in the entire subject is to dig out the truth (as opposed to the lies put forth by western governments & media). It's an arduous process but the truth becomes self evident as I continue to dig down through the myriad rabbit holes. I simply enjoy toying with the many on here who accept tired old mantras and memes as much of what they recite is nothing but parroting of the status quo put out by the USG for decades upon decades that have been inculcated in public, government operated prison day camps. No cure for stupid... except the desire for truth.

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    I don't live in Crimea, nor do I have access to the raw data from which the propaganda we're presented with is crafted. I can only say that if osama is against it, it's probably a good thing. I may be blinded by my own ideology, but as long as I don't have to shoot at either side, I can live with that.
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    Default Re: Crimea votes for secession .

    Quote Originally Posted by Defnestor View Post
    I don't live in Crimea, nor do I have access to the raw data from which the propaganda we're presented with is crafted. I can only say that if osama is against it, it's probably a good thing. I may be blinded by my own ideology, but as long as I don't have to shoot at either side, I can live with that.
    Agreed. Yet, these things will eventually come to impact everyone eventually. For instance, let us assume that US/EU sanctions are imposed upon Russia. Russia can then tell Europe that if they want energy, pay up in gold instead of the petrodollar. If the dollar is dumped by Russia as payment for energy, the USD plummets like a rock the world over. China has been buying gold so they're fine. Hyperinflation here will be the the result. Gaddafi & Hussein were taken out because they sough to dump the petro dollar (among other things), which will have a major impact on the interest payments to the Federal Reserve, which has hooked the American tax livestock for the debt repayment on loans that USG "leaders & politicians" foisted on the nation to advance socialism/communism. Sanctions on Russia are going to impact US companies. For example, Russian Billionaire Alisher Usmanov has reportedly sold shares in Apple and Facebook to focus on Alibaba and other tech investments in China as a preemptive move. Pepsi, Ford, Boeing, GE, etc. are all deeply entrenched in the Russian economy which will impact Americans. So one might not be shot at with arms, but everyone is going to take a hit. All for what? A story based on lies, deception and power hungry psychotic people who hold the idea that they are "a special people". Geez...

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    Let us not forget, as the Obamamites seem to have forgotten, that the US has 156 billion dollars in investments tied up in Russia. Ford's European entity is heavily invested in Russia and Ford will take a big hit. China is close behind the US in having assets plowed into Russia. Russia is concerned about its border, as are we. But I don't see Putin telling Obama to give Texas back...

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    Activists in region of Moldova ask to join Russia

    The former Soviet Trans-Dniester region in Moldova has submitted a request to join Russia on the heels of the Russian annexation of Crimea.
    The Transdniester region, much like Crimea, is mostly populated on by ethnic Russians and sits on Ukraine's eastern border. Signs can be seen in the region with the words, "We remember: we are not Moldova."

    This is not the first time the region has tried to break away from Moldova. In 2006, the region passed a referendum declaring independence but it went unrecognized by Moldova and the international community...

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...?spt=sec&or=tn

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightymouse View Post
    Isolationism, like Marxism, works far better as an idealogical thought experiment than as a strategy for national policy. An integrated world economy does not lend itself to such notions.
    I suppose we need to define our terminology a little better if we're going to throw around these loaded terms like "isolationism." What I am advocating is no military intervention in foreign affairs, but complete economic freedom of association. So whether you want to call it non-interventionism, isolationism, or what have you, that is what I am referring to.

    That being the case, I can hardly see how you can criticize it as an unworkable strategy for national policy, since it has only rarely been tried by our nation, and the time period in which it was the most prevalent was actually a quite peaceful and prosperous time. By contrast, the results of military interventionism need no introduction. As difficult as it is to prove a negative, it is personally hard for me to imagine how a worse result could have occurred without our country's 20th Century military interventions.

    As far as an integrated world economy goes, that is a better protection against war than any military deterrent could provide. If enough people could understand the simple economic principle of comparative advantage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage, and had enough of a capacity for reason to draw even the most obvious conclusions from it, war would quickly start to become a thing of the past. Alas, while the human race has made great strides with its knowledge of math, science, and language, the vast majority of the planet's population remains completely economically illiterate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dutchwrangler View Post
    Obama, Kerry, Nuland and the parasites are on the losing side of this event. I especially get a kick from all the "conservative" talkers on the radio who continue with the same mantra that Putin is trying to rebuild the former Soviet Union. They are clueless since they apparently have no concept of who Putin is or what he is intent on achieving. The fact is that Putin is a Christian and a loyal member of the Russian Orthodox Church which the Tribe hates as they have always hated Jesus Christ (for you so called Christians). Putin is righting the wrongs of the Bolshevik Revolution and is methodically rebuilding Russia to it's Christian ways under Nicholas II. The homosexual uproar during Sochi is an example of his cleansing of society (in the US & West homosexuality is being pushed constantly onto society by the Tribe media). All very fascinating to me as the US talks crap while siding with the demonic Tribe who hates Jesus. So much for the US being a "Christian nation"... lol. What a nation of useful tax livestock idiots and dupes.
    How long till Putin launches a Pogrom against "the demonic Tribe who hates Jesus"?
    BTW, would it kill you to type the word JEW?

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