Rival Motorcycle clubs shoot out at Twin Peaks Waco

I've been following this with some interest, waiting for a few details. Seems the "Daily Mail" hauls the mail, so to speak...with pictures...no arrows though...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ant-bloodbath-months-bitter-gang-rivalry.html

Seems some what "patch" related. Apparently 179 still in custody throughout the state.

Riley said:

I've been following this with some interest, waiting for a few details. Seems the "Daily Mail" hauls the mail, so to speak...with pictures...no arrows though...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ant-bloodbath-months-bitter-gang-rivalry.html

Seems some what "patch" related. Apparently 179 still in custody throughout the state.

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Alot of info in that link.

Riley said:

I've been following this with some interest, waiting for a few details. Seems the "Daily Mail" hauls the mail, so to speak...with pictures...no arrows though...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ant-bloodbath-months-bitter-gang-rivalry.html

Seems some what "patch" related. Apparently 179 still in custody throughout the state.

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Thanks for posting that link. Good read. The oldest biker killed was 65. He shoulda joined the Shriner's and done something good. Plus he'd got to wear a really cool fez.

Riley said:

I've been following this with some interest, waiting for a few details. Seems the "Daily Mail" hauls the mail, so to speak...with pictures...no arrows though...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ant-bloodbath-months-bitter-gang-rivalry.html

Seems some what "patch" related. Apparently 179 still in custody throughout the state.

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The Daily Mail makes pretty much every U.S. "news" outlet look like rank amateurs.

I do not feel that we have enough reliable information on this event. Hopefully in the near future more concrete information will be released. I have witnessed several events covered by the media, and realize they have their own agenda on what is reported. Another article that may be of interest?

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...those-arrested-had-no-prior-criminal-history/

ShovelRider said:

I do not feel that we have enough reliable information on this event. Hopefully in the near future more concrete information will be released. I have witnessed several events covered by the media, and realize they have their own agenda on what is reported. Another article that may be of interest?

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...those-arrested-had-no-prior-criminal-history/

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That's a great link, with absolutely spot-on reporting. Another site, http://theconservativetreesquirrel.com/ reports that the cops in Waco fired 11,678,151 rounds of ammunition that day, much of it on full-auto. Peaceful, law-abiding, god-fearing bikers were cut down by the score, their bodies removed to a nearby recently closed Wal-Mart SuperCenter, where FEMA militarized police dissaude any attempts at further investigation. Stay tuned, the Waco story is about to unravel like a working girl's knickers.

ShovelRider said:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...those-arrested-had-no-prior-criminal-history/

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thousands of rounds fired by police and gang members ???
really looking forward to seeing the police videos ..

lawsuit filed by neighbor http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...-11e4-a4eb-83f98935a085/555e497a47bc9.pdf.pdf

go to beginning of page three in above document

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In addition from a lawsuit filed against Twin Peaks by the neighboring restaurant Don Carlos it is claimed the police fired “thousands of rounds” toward the bikers; striking not only bike club members but also Don Carlos customer vehicles.

Summary and personal thoughts: It is entirely possible that some of the bikers were criminals; and it is also entirely possible that twitchy police responded excessively and overreacted to a perceived threat. These two possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

Who shot at whom first; who did or did not pull the trigger; and what might have spurred the 14 police officers to fire “thousands of rounds” at a group of 3 to 5 potentially armed bikers when the downrange backdrop was a patio filled with hundreds of unarmed bikers is not yet known.

Look closely at this picture:

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sure is getting hard to know what to believe???

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*UPDATE* Report of Waco Police Affidavit/Warrants Inconsistent With Initial Public Claims By Same Police…
Posted on May 19, 2015 by sundance

update-1Update – The Dead (All Texans):

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Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.

Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).

From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something.

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One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside.

Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.

However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:

[…] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.

After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.

“During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.

The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.

Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)

Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.

However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:

[…] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.

The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”

“Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.

[…] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)

It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:

[…] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...nt-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/

The highly respected website http://theconservativetreesap.com/ has also revised its earlier reports. They are now saying 12,000,000 rounds fired by police, with 678 dead bikers now thought to be housed in a recently "closed" Wal-Mart SuperCenter. They claim this op is related to Jade Helm.

Waco Shooting Probable Cause Affidavit

Waco witness: ‘It was a setup from start to finish’

Published: 24 May 2015

WACO — Richie was the first to die, then Diesel, then Dog.

Whatever else they were in life, the men with the biker nicknames were Cossacks, loud and proud and riders in a Texas motorcycle gang. And that’s what got them killed, shot to death in a brawl with a rival gang in the parking lot of a Texas “breastaurant” that advertised hot waitresses and cold beer.

“I saw the first three of our guys fall, and we started running,” said their brother-in-arms, another Cossack, who said he was there a week ago when the shooting started at the Twin Peaks restaurant.

The Cossack, president of a North Texas chapter of the motorcycle gang, asked not to be identified because he is in hiding and said he fears for his life. He is a rare eyewitness speaking publicly about the Waco shootings, one of the worst eruptions of biker-gang violence in U.S. history.

Since last week’s violence, Waco police have offered few conclusions in their investigation. But they have said that the violence was touched off when an uninvited group, presumed to be the Cossacks, showed up at a meeting of a larger confederation of motorcycle clubs dominated by the Bandidos.

In several interviews in recent days, the Cossacks rider offered a different story. He said the Cossacks were invited to the Twin Peaks patio that day — by a Bandido leader, who offered to make peace in a long-running feud between the two gangs. That invitation was a setup for an ambush, though, according to the Cossack. That’s why the dead included six Cossacks, one Scimitar (an ally of the Cossacks) and only two Bandidos.

The biker’s story could not be independently verified; most of those involved in the shootout are still in jail. But significant parts of his account square with police statements, as well as security camera videos obtained by The Associated Press.

The biker culture has unwritten rules that everybody in its world knows and has predictable consequences for stepping out of line.

So when a biker from the Bandidos, the oldest gang in Texas and one of the largest in the world, ran into a young Cossack in the Twin Peaks parking lot last Sunday, everyone knew what was coming. First words, then fists, then guns. Within seconds, Richie, Diesel and Dog were dead.

“I took off,” the Cossacks rider said. “I got out of there. I didn’t have a weapon. I couldn’t fight anybody.”

At odds for years

It started with a phone call.

About a week before the gunfight, according to the Cossack, a leader of the Bandidos, a man named Marshall from East Texas, contacted Owen Reeves, the “nomad,” or leader, of the Cossacks’ Central Texas region.

The two gangs had been at odds for years. The Bandidos consider themselves the big dogs of the Texas biker world, and other gangs — or clubs, as they prefer to be called — generally don’t cross them.

The Bandidos wear their claim to the Lone Star State on their backs. Their vests have “Bandidos” across the shoulders, just above their logo, a caricature based on Frito-Lay’s Frito Bandito. Below, the word “Texas” is stitched boldly in an inverted crescent.

That crescent, the “Texas rocker,” has long belonged to the Bandidos, and they consider it a provocation if someone else wears it without permission, which is exactly what the Cossacks did.

The Bandidos are second in numbers only to the Hells Angels and have as many as 2,500 members in 13 countries, according to the Justice Department, which considers the group a violent criminal enterprise engaged in running drugs and guns. The Cossacks, a smaller group, do not show up on law enforcement lists of criminal gangs, but the group has been growing more aggressive in recent years. Officials have warned of the potential for violence between the two gangs.

“We don’t claim any territory, but the reason that the Bandidos have such an issue with us is that we wear the Texas rocker on our back, but we don’t pay them $100 a month per chapter to do it,” the Cossack said.

On May 1, the Texas Department of Public Safety issued a bulletin to law enforcement agencies across the state warning about the Bandidos having “discussed the possibility of going to war” with the Cossacks, largely over the issue of the Texas rocker.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/stat...tness-it-was-a-setup-from-start-to-finish.ece