Sh*t just got real

SoonerATC said:

Turkey just shot down a Russian fighter they say was violating their airspace, after multiple demands that it leave. Russia of course is saying it was without provocation and that its plane was in Syrian airspace. Turkey immediately called for an emergency NATO session.

Putin is trying to spin it as Turkey trying to get NATO to help ISIS.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...n-fighter-jet-near-syria-border/?intcmp=hpbt1

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SMS said:

...and that's why the FSA is shooting/will shoot at anything Russian, because the Russians aren't just bombing IS. They are bombing all the groups that oppose Assad...

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Glocktogo said:

As usual, the best reporting is not U.S. reporting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dia-footage-flaming-plane-crashing-trees.html

Here's the deal. Obama has been slow rolling the "effort" to "contain" ISIS because he secretly wants them to defeat Assad. The FSA was never going to get it done and had we armed them like McCain was begging to do, those additional U.S. weapons would now be in ISIS hands. That will leave a power vacuum and we would step in with Turkey to "restore order" to the region. Russia would have a hard time doing so because they'd have to do everything from the sea and over Iraqi airspace, via Iran. Turkey has been buying oil directly from ISIS, to the tune of $800 million dollars so far. They've also been actively opposing the arming of the Kurds to combat ISIS, which would screw up their real plans.

Russia knows this is 100% about undercutting their overland energy routes to Europe. The so-called "Arab Spring" was never about human rights because most of the combatants filling the void are actually more brutal than the dictators they're deposing. We don't intercede in Sudan or Nigeria, despite the atrocities there being as bad or worse than Syria. Why? Because they have no impact on global energy movement.

I've been saying this for several years now, to no avail. This is the worst kept secret in the history of poorly kept secrets, yet the media is pretending it isn't happening.

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tntrex said:

The world recognized Assad as Syrias leader, then Russia is on the right and turkey wrong? What have the politicians and media gotten us into?

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SMS said:

...and that's why the FSA is shooting/will shoot at anything Russian, because the Russians aren't just bombing IS. They are bombing all the groups that oppose Assad...

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tntrex said:

The world recognized Assad as Syrias leader, then Russia is on the right and turkey wrong? What have the politicians and media gotten us into?

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Shadowrider said:

$800 mil? Doesn't sound like a helluva lot. Why don't we sell it to them? I know we can get ships into the Med. Or the Brits could sell some from the North Sea. Seems if Turkey needs to be satiated there's a way that's a helluva lot better than ISIS.

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