planned parenthood not indicted by grand jury

_CY_ · Jan 25, 2016

mugsy said:
YukonGlocker, PP may be within the law but at the very least it will shed light on the ugly, debasing, and I would argue, inhuman practices of PP. The Nazi death camps were legally allowed to recoup costs by slave labor (well save costs in that case), selling remaining possessions (like silver tooth fillings and gold crowns), and it has been alleged, offering various parts for experimentation.
I find it sadly ironic that one of the two charges against the film makers was...you guessed it...trying to purchase human body parts...which PP was offering for sale.

one really important distinction needs to be made ... PP has never sold any tissue .. all tissue are donated with permission and PP can legally recoup costs to provide those tissues. it's my understanding that PP are no longer recouping costs on donated tissues.

Fetal tissues can be donated for research purposes. there's controversy around the use of embryonic stem cells in the past. Planned Parenthood donates such tissues for just that reason. They do not sell these tissues.

The guy in the video was posing as a rep from a company asking to illegally purchase fetal tissues, and the video was manipulated to make it incorrectly seem like Planned Parenthood was willing to sell fetal tissues to him. One of the things he is now being charged with is attempting to illegally purchase human organs/tissues. Planned Parenthood was cleared of any wrongdoing.

_CY_ · Jan 25, 2016

Sandra Merritt & David Daleiden: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
January 25, 2016

David Daleiden, left, and Susan Merritt, in photos provided by Planned Parenthood from fake drivers licenses they used.

A Harris County, Texas, grand jury has indicted two anti-abortion activists on charges related to controversial undercover videos they recorded at a Planned Parenthood office in Houston.

David Daleiden, the leader of the group behind the videos, Center for Medical Progress, and Sandra Merritt were indicted on charges of tampering with a governmental record, the Houston Chronicle reports. Daleiden was also indicted under the law prohibiting the purchase and sale of human organs, the newspaper reports.

The grand jury investigation cleared Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast of any wrongdoing.

We were called upon to investigate allegations of criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, said Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson, a Republican. As I stated at the outset of this investigation, we must go where the evidence leads us. All the evidence uncovered in the course of this investigation was presented to the grand jury. I respect their decision on this difficult case.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/sandr...-parenthood-videos-photos-licenses-documents/

RickN · Jan 26, 2016

PP and others keep claiming they manipulated the videos but that is incorrect. They posted the complete unedited videos on U-tube where anybody can watch them. They will be found innocent if the charges are not completely dropped. Also of note, the prosecutor is a left leaning Republican up for re-election, or at least her campaign site is up and active.

_CY_ · Jan 26, 2016

RickN said:
PP and others keep claiming they manipulated the videos but that is incorrect. They posted the complete unedited videos on U-tube where anybody can watch them. They will be found innocent if the charges are not completely dropped. Also of note, the prosecutor is a left leaning Republican up for re-election, or at least her campaign site is up and active.

Prosecutors in Harris County said one of the leaders of the Center for Medical Progress - an anti-abortion group that made secretly recorded videos purporting to show Planned Parenthood officials trying to illegally profit from the sale of fetal tissue - had been indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record, a felony, and on a misdemeanor charge related to purchasing human organs.

That leader, David R. Daleiden, 27, the director of the center, had posed as a biotechnology representative to infiltrate Planned Parenthood affiliates and surreptitiously record his efforts to procure tissue for research. Another center employee, Sandra S. Merritt, 62, was indicted on a felony charge of tampering with a governmental record.

The record-tampering charges accused Mr. Daleiden and Ms. Merritt of making and presenting fake California driver’s licenses, with the intent to defraud, for their April meeting at Planned Parenthood in Houston.

Abortion opponents claimed that the videos, which were released starting in July, revealed that Planned Parenthood was engaged in the illegal sale of body parts - a charge that the organization has denied and that has not been supported in numerous congressional and state investigations triggered by the release of the videos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/u...nned-parenthood-videos-are-indicted.html?_r=0

SMS · Jan 26, 2016

If they broke the law, so be it.

The end doesn't justify the means.

RidgeHunter · Jan 26, 2016

https://youtu.be/ANje9E18bpE

MaddSkillz · Jan 26, 2016

mugsy said:
Would you have preferred if I had used the slavery analogy? Lawful, but always morally suspect and eventually (nearly) universally condemned - I notice that those who object to WW-II National Socialism's extreme formal legalism as a good example of lawful not equaling moral usually have no problem citing the slavery issue. The comparison was actually quite appropos.

Morals aren't universal. Some think it less moral to force kids into an existence where they're not wanted nor can be properly cared for. Sometimes there are no good answers and abortion is one of those.

Life is complicated... The truth isn't always pretty.

mugsy · Jan 26, 2016

MaddSkillz said:
Morals aren't universal. Some think it less moral to force kids into an existence where they're not wanted nor can be properly cared for. Sometimes there are no good answers and abortion is one of those.

Life is complicated... The truth isn't always pretty.

I agree abortion is not a good answer - especially for the one aborted.

MaddSkillz · Jan 26, 2016

mugsy said:
I agree abortion is not a good answer - especially for the one aborted.

How do you know that? That operates under the assumption that existence if better than non and considering the variables of the existence of many, some would have a valid argument against existence for some.

mugsy · Jan 26, 2016

MaddSkillz said:
How do you know that? That operates under the assumption that existence if better than non and considering the variables of the existence of many, some would have a valid argument against existence for some.

As only one safely in existence can say.

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