Kel-Tec Sub 2000... is it worth it?

tRidiot · Feb 2, 2016

I've got a bunch of Glock .40 mags for my G22 and G27, up to 17- and 30-rounders, so I was thinking of getting one of these. Missed a couple in the Classies, but I wasn't ready to buy just then - I will be in a couple of weeks. Thought it might be fun to shoot, makes sense as a compact foldable carbine to carry on trips and such (in the car/truck, not a plane), keep near the bed, etc. Interchangability of mags and ammo is a big plus.

I see they've come out with a "Gen 2" and there are lots of people out there customizing older ones, not sure about the new ones. I haven't gotten a chance to do any research on the differences on Gen1 and Gen2 yet, I'll probably do that today when I get back from the dentist, unless I get caught up in my new reloading gig.

Any of you guys played with one much? G1 or G2? What are the cons? I know the pros, for the most part, I want to know if they live up to their billing, if they're really as flexible and durable as they say, how comfortable/practical are they to shoot, etc.? Real-world experiences, in other words.

mugsy · Feb 2, 2016

The SUB-2000 is an odd weapon. It is very light and handy, easily transportable and great for storage but, IMHO, not durable enough for hard or long-term use. To me it seems most suited for a BOB or stashing somewhere for emergencies when expecting to carry weight and where every pound matters. I only owned the the Gen-1 so I can't speak to differences. My SUB-2000 was reliable and easy to clean, etc. It was the 9mm version taking S&M Model 59 magazines.

gsarg · Feb 3, 2016

It's the greatest thing since sliced bread, IMO. So many uses, so many options

Fyrtwuck · Feb 3, 2016

I had one in 9mm for a bit. It had more recoil than I would have expected , but not a detriment. As a lefty, I got a lot of unburned residue in my face coming from the ejection port. The prices have doubled since I had mine. Seems everyone wants one for their bug out bags. The capability of using the same magazines for two different guns is a big plus.

Shoot Summ · Feb 3, 2016

I bought a Kel-Tec P3AT new several year ago. It's kind of soured me to Kel-Tec, never has been a reliable gun, and it's been to Kel-Tec a couple of times. It collects dust in a back corner of the safe now. The only reason I keep it is because Don Franson blued the slide on it for me, that makes it worth a lot from a sentimental perspective.

I went a different route for a pistol caliber carbine, got a Mech-Tech in 9mm, put a dedicated G17 lower on it. It's an absolute gas to shoot, the only downside for me is the weight.

mugsy · Feb 3, 2016

I switched from the SUB-2000 with S&W (not S&M) mags to a Marlin Camp-9. The Marlin uses the same mags and with an after market folding stock it's almost as portable. I like the way it fires much better.

cal7.62x39 · Feb 3, 2016

I had the gen 1 in 17. being left handed I was constantly getting hit in the face with gas and shells. thats what I get for being wrong handed. Ive got the gen 2 in 40 now, and I still have the same issue, but I just could not stay away. fun gun, but like Mugsy said its not made for hard or long term use. I thought It was an awsome bug out gun... It works as long as it is clean, but get dirt, mud, or debris in it as a bug out weapon ultimately will and your screwed.

ssgrock3 · Feb 5, 2016

I have played with one, never shot one. They are primitive. Great they fold, is about the only thing that I found helpful, and for what they bring now, I would personally pass quickly. They are not worth what they cost these days, however, like all guns, your mileage may vary. If ya got a need or want, hell then buy one. If you find a deal, then really buy one.

358norma · Feb 5, 2016

The Sub-200 is lot's of fun to play with! I've got one for G-17 mags. The only draw back I could see with the .40; I haven't seen a drum in 40. 50 round drums for the 9mm can be found. They are not a precision tool, more of a ATV (Accuracy Through Volume) weapon. Good enough for up close work. Neat compact design. Good back up piece, secondary weapon, truck rig, or maybe for a BOB. Not something I want to trust as a primary "go to" gun. But lot's of FUN to shoot, even for young ones. I also have a Beretta CX-4 Storm in .40. I think the Storm is going to be on the chopping block soon.

tRidiot · Feb 5, 2016

358norma said:
The Sub-200 is lot's of fun to play with! I've got one for G-17 mags. The only draw back I could see with the .40; I haven't seen a drum in 40. 50 round drums for the 9mm can be found. They are not a precision tool, more of a ATV (Accuracy Through Volume) weapon. Good enough for up close work. Neat compact design. Good back up piece, secondary weapon, truck rig, or maybe for a BOB. Not something I want to trust as a primary "go to" gun. But lot's of FUN to shoot, even for young ones. I also have a Beretta CX-4 Storm in .40. I think the Storm is going to be on the chopping block soon.

That's kinda what my thought process was on the deal.

Thanks to all for the reviews!

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