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1% tip, on expensive lunch. **and my rant on pay, gratuity, and salary jobs**
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<blockquote data-quote="Robert871" data-source="post: 1731574" data-attributes="member: 10963"><p><a href="http://www.wisegeek.com/why-do-we-tip-for-some-professions-but-not-others.htm" target="_blank">http://www.wisegeek.com/why-do-we-tip-for-some-professions-but-not-others.htm</a></p><p>"One reason we tip certain service employees such as waiters or bellhops is to help compensate for a gap in wages. Employers are legally permitted to pay less than minimum wage to certain employees who routinely benefit from tipping."</p><p>"A waiter may also be responsible for tipping other employees such as bussers and bartenders. Without regular tips, waiters and barmaids may not even earn the legal minimum wage."</p><p><a href="http://www.tip20.com/why-should-you-tip/27" target="_blank">http://www.tip20.com/why-should-you-tip/27</a></p><p>"* Hourly wages are typically significantly less in the service industry, because tips are considered part of the servers income.</p><p></p><p>* Your server does pay income taxes. In absence of proper documentation of tips, the government will look at the servers food and beverage sales and base their taxable tip income on a percent of it. So if you do not tip the server, it has actually cost the server money to serve you. See the IRS tipping tax laws."</p><p></p><p>those just kind of stuck out on the first two sites that popped up when i did a yahoo search of "why do we tip"</p><p>seems like its kind of the big reason. sounds to me like we are not tipping so much because they did their job well, but because their job relies on it.... i am not going to start taking surveys to kindle my opinion. </p><p>I do not expect this to matter to you, you see me as wrong, disagree with me, and unless i bow to your superior intellect, you will just trash me and my words because you are right, and i am wrong; and the further i argue, the more you will be out for blood, and slander me questioning my intellect and upbringing, or insulting my wealth (which you have already taken a stab at). Yes, i would rather have the price of food be higher at an establishment and know that the waiter is being paid a wage by the establishment that is competitive for a similar level position that shares similar training requirements; that way, when they are exceedingly good at their job, the tip is actually gratuity. gratuity, a world from the origin of gracious, meaning pleasantly kind, benevolent, and courteous. i would rather it be a reward for enjoying the service someone did for me, than expected because of situation. just like i said.</p><p></p><p>and why does my opinion bother you so? you have gone to great lengths to out right try and insult me and label me, over some words i typed. sounds to me like you are more the one with a chip on your shoulder. I have said nothing to provoke the hatred and blatant insult you have selected to reply with. and nothing i have said, is something i felt i could not say to my friends and have them understand where i am coming from; regardless if they agreed or not. </p><p></p><p>FYI (not that it matters). no i have not been a waiter, already said that. no i have not owned a business of any kind let alone in the food industry. I have washed dishes, and cooked in one. closest i have been is to know the owner of a rons hamburgers. i am aware they have expenses, that is a given. i am aware that they have to pay for everything that walks in that back door. and no, that does not make me an authority on the subject, but that is the magic of an opinion, and free speech, i can feed it and voice it wrong or right, educated or not. still changes nothing in what i have said.</p><p>by the way, any "judgement" on my part, is implied by you. i am pointing out that people feel obligated to tip because they know their waiter relies on it as their wage, not so much because the service was exceptional and the staff made them feel pleasant. i am not judging people or looking down on people for the jobs they work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Robert871, post: 1731574, member: 10963"] [url]http://www.wisegeek.com/why-do-we-tip-for-some-professions-but-not-others.htm[/url] "One reason we tip certain service employees such as waiters or bellhops is to help compensate for a gap in wages. Employers are legally permitted to pay less than minimum wage to certain employees who routinely benefit from tipping." "A waiter may also be responsible for tipping other employees such as bussers and bartenders. Without regular tips, waiters and barmaids may not even earn the legal minimum wage." [url]http://www.tip20.com/why-should-you-tip/27[/url] "* Hourly wages are typically significantly less in the service industry, because tips are considered part of the servers income. * Your server does pay income taxes. In absence of proper documentation of tips, the government will look at the servers food and beverage sales and base their taxable tip income on a percent of it. So if you do not tip the server, it has actually cost the server money to serve you. See the IRS tipping tax laws." those just kind of stuck out on the first two sites that popped up when i did a yahoo search of "why do we tip" seems like its kind of the big reason. sounds to me like we are not tipping so much because they did their job well, but because their job relies on it.... i am not going to start taking surveys to kindle my opinion. I do not expect this to matter to you, you see me as wrong, disagree with me, and unless i bow to your superior intellect, you will just trash me and my words because you are right, and i am wrong; and the further i argue, the more you will be out for blood, and slander me questioning my intellect and upbringing, or insulting my wealth (which you have already taken a stab at). Yes, i would rather have the price of food be higher at an establishment and know that the waiter is being paid a wage by the establishment that is competitive for a similar level position that shares similar training requirements; that way, when they are exceedingly good at their job, the tip is actually gratuity. gratuity, a world from the origin of gracious, meaning pleasantly kind, benevolent, and courteous. i would rather it be a reward for enjoying the service someone did for me, than expected because of situation. just like i said. and why does my opinion bother you so? you have gone to great lengths to out right try and insult me and label me, over some words i typed. sounds to me like you are more the one with a chip on your shoulder. I have said nothing to provoke the hatred and blatant insult you have selected to reply with. and nothing i have said, is something i felt i could not say to my friends and have them understand where i am coming from; regardless if they agreed or not. FYI (not that it matters). no i have not been a waiter, already said that. no i have not owned a business of any kind let alone in the food industry. I have washed dishes, and cooked in one. closest i have been is to know the owner of a rons hamburgers. i am aware they have expenses, that is a given. i am aware that they have to pay for everything that walks in that back door. and no, that does not make me an authority on the subject, but that is the magic of an opinion, and free speech, i can feed it and voice it wrong or right, educated or not. still changes nothing in what i have said. by the way, any "judgement" on my part, is implied by you. i am pointing out that people feel obligated to tip because they know their waiter relies on it as their wage, not so much because the service was exceptional and the staff made them feel pleasant. i am not judging people or looking down on people for the jobs they work. [/QUOTE]
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