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12 or 20 for clay pigeons????????
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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 878044" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>Skeet is a 4 gun competition if you get serious about it. .410, 28, 20 and 12.</p><p></p><p>I was at work the day of the GT, and not sure if you shot true skeet or shot clay birds thrown over an open field.</p><p> </p><p>For about any guage, or bore size(the .410 is a bore size, not a guage) the level of difficulty increases with the smaller diameters. </p><p></p><p>In a perfect world, a modified choke .410 would have the same diameter or "spread" as a modified choke 12 ga., at say 30 yds. Most shotgun chokes are patterned at 30 yds with a 30" circle to see how many shot are within the circle.</p><p>The difference being that there would be more shot in the pattern of the 12 ga ensuring more hits on the clay bird.</p><p>In the real world a person patterning any shotgun on paper will find that some chokes for whatever reason will leave an area in the 30" circle with almost no shot at all. Change chokes and the pattern becomes even. Its machining defects or something. I don't think any body can really point a finger at a specific cause.</p><p></p><p>Turkey hunters are notorious about patterning their shotguns as they are shooting at a small target at long ranges. (the neck of the turkey).</p><p></p><p>To answer your question, I have a 12 and a 20 I shoot at registered trap, skeet, and just for fun throwing clay birds in the field. For me, starting out with a sporting gun, I'd go with the 12. You can get light loads that don't kick much and its easier to make the target turn into a black cloud in the sky. Kind of builds up your confidence. Nothing worse starting out than to bang a bunch of rounds and see nothing break up in the sky.</p><p>When shooting my 20, sometimes I KNOW it hit it, and when we go out and pick up the clay birds that don't break we will find lots with one or two pellet hits in them. Good enough for a hit, but it still didn't break the bird.</p><p></p><p>Shooting clays has got to be one of the things I really like to do. The skeet and trap ranges are really fun, but regimented. I much prefer getting out with the friends in a field, with a couple of thowers getting two birds in the sky at the same time, and trying different shooting scenario's like the clays coming over your back, or at right angles, whatever is safe. Makes it like getting in on a great quail hunt.<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 878044, member: 5412"] Skeet is a 4 gun competition if you get serious about it. .410, 28, 20 and 12. I was at work the day of the GT, and not sure if you shot true skeet or shot clay birds thrown over an open field. For about any guage, or bore size(the .410 is a bore size, not a guage) the level of difficulty increases with the smaller diameters. In a perfect world, a modified choke .410 would have the same diameter or "spread" as a modified choke 12 ga., at say 30 yds. Most shotgun chokes are patterned at 30 yds with a 30" circle to see how many shot are within the circle. The difference being that there would be more shot in the pattern of the 12 ga ensuring more hits on the clay bird. In the real world a person patterning any shotgun on paper will find that some chokes for whatever reason will leave an area in the 30" circle with almost no shot at all. Change chokes and the pattern becomes even. Its machining defects or something. I don't think any body can really point a finger at a specific cause. Turkey hunters are notorious about patterning their shotguns as they are shooting at a small target at long ranges. (the neck of the turkey). To answer your question, I have a 12 and a 20 I shoot at registered trap, skeet, and just for fun throwing clay birds in the field. For me, starting out with a sporting gun, I'd go with the 12. You can get light loads that don't kick much and its easier to make the target turn into a black cloud in the sky. Kind of builds up your confidence. Nothing worse starting out than to bang a bunch of rounds and see nothing break up in the sky. When shooting my 20, sometimes I KNOW it hit it, and when we go out and pick up the clay birds that don't break we will find lots with one or two pellet hits in them. Good enough for a hit, but it still didn't break the bird. Shooting clays has got to be one of the things I really like to do. The skeet and trap ranges are really fun, but regimented. I much prefer getting out with the friends in a field, with a couple of thowers getting two birds in the sky at the same time, and trying different shooting scenario's like the clays coming over your back, or at right angles, whatever is safe. Makes it like getting in on a great quail hunt.:D [/QUOTE]
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