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<blockquote data-quote="hubel585" data-source="post: 1667883"><p>Videos Youtube-- blowing up 6gal pail of water ---"Grandpa's Cannon"</p><p>"Grandpa's First Shot" 12ga FH -- 610gr HP at 2800-3000.</p><p></p><p>We get asked about legality and whether these big cartridges</p><p>are DDs. First of all; all shotgun calibers over 50cal are exempt from</p><p>being classified as DDs under Title 18 GCA Section 921....</p><p>And it doesn't matter what exciting or promo name we call them,</p><p>the barrels are still marked for gauge. They can be called 12ga 3 Inch</p><p>Super Magnum, 12ga Goose Magnum, 12ga From hell, 12ga 3.5 Express,</p><p>12ga Hammerhead, etc, they still are a 12ga case of some length.</p><p>And length doesn't matter as long as shorter cases, with straight</p><p>sides, and same 12ga(or whatever gauge)base size fit and fire in</p><p>longer chambers. IE; 2.5, 2.75, and 3" firing in 3.5", and all of these</p><p>firing in our 3.85" longer chamber. IE; you can't take 37mm cannon</p><p>shell and neck it to 12ga and have an automatically exempt 12ga</p><p>cartridge, as other shorter 12 gauges would not fit/fire in chamber,</p><p>and you'd have to get it exempt as sporting. How-</p><p>Under the same Section any other over 50cal non-shotgun</p><p>cartridge can be classified as Exempt For Sporting Use by</p><p>applying for the exemption, like I have done for my cases,and many</p><p>others(JDJ-AHR-Etc) have done, as well as cases already sporting</p><p>from the old days. Now as for hunting rules in shotgun areas,</p><p>game depts may say that you can't use long range spitzer bullets</p><p>but must use traditional blunt slugs, for safety. Hunting rules are</p><p>varied all over the place.</p><p></p><p>More history of firsts, in our 12ga FH and big bore work.</p><p></p><p>The first gun of mine to have this case was</p><p>my Savage 210 in first picture with a regular style</p><p>heavy stock. Later changed to thumbhole stock.</p><p>I changed barrel to heavy bull barrel and</p><p>chambered it for the 12ga FH 3.85" long case.</p><p></p><p>Second picture is the first NEF 12ga Ultra that we put</p><p>the first 12ga fH case in. I only had to lengthen chamber.</p><p>The same gun now has long barrel and thumbhole stock.</p><p></p><p>Third picture is first NEF 10ga heavy barrel that we put</p><p>the 10ga FH in. Gun came with long 30" heavy barrel.</p><p></p><p>Fourth picture is the first 8ga test gun we built using the</p><p>super strong 8ga kiln cases with the belt step swaged</p><p>down. It is an Enfield that we reamed out to take the</p><p>case, like the 12ga Mauser 12ga conversions were done.</p><p>And we added extra rear bolt lugs for strength.</p><p></p><p>Fifth picture is the 1st gun my 585HE was put in.</p><p>It is an Enfield and gets 750gr bullet 2700 fps.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_redone.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_nef.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_10gafhbg.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_8en.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_585enth.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>And in the vein of old time gun actions, of which are various falling</p><p>blocks, we like them also for the hairy big bores, like the 8bore and</p><p>4bore ones we made over the years, that are pictured above.</p><p>Following are 3 pictures of various parts and processes of making the</p><p>action, using easy to get small parts, lever, trigger, hammer, etc,</p><p>and the action block, breach block from steel blocks in 1st pic.</p><p></p><p>Last 2 pictures are the FBW brand falling blocks, one which is the</p><p>Model L that we adapted to the one piece stock and the other is the</p><p>smaller Model S with regular two piece stock. Both are set up with</p><p>my 585HE. I can run full pressure in the 585.</p><p></p><p> The Model L, I can switch to a 20ga barrel, 600NE barrel,</p><p>and my 700HE using moderate loads. Last pic is Model L with</p><p>thumb hole stock, and my 585HE case in the action..Ed</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_stbl.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_emptyact.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_brchside.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_fbw2pc.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_fbw1pc.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hubel585, post: 1667883"] Videos Youtube-- blowing up 6gal pail of water ---"Grandpa's Cannon" "Grandpa's First Shot" 12ga FH -- 610gr HP at 2800-3000. We get asked about legality and whether these big cartridges are DDs. First of all; all shotgun calibers over 50cal are exempt from being classified as DDs under Title 18 GCA Section 921.... And it doesn't matter what exciting or promo name we call them, the barrels are still marked for gauge. They can be called 12ga 3 Inch Super Magnum, 12ga Goose Magnum, 12ga From hell, 12ga 3.5 Express, 12ga Hammerhead, etc, they still are a 12ga case of some length. And length doesn't matter as long as shorter cases, with straight sides, and same 12ga(or whatever gauge)base size fit and fire in longer chambers. IE; 2.5, 2.75, and 3" firing in 3.5", and all of these firing in our 3.85" longer chamber. IE; you can't take 37mm cannon shell and neck it to 12ga and have an automatically exempt 12ga cartridge, as other shorter 12 gauges would not fit/fire in chamber, and you'd have to get it exempt as sporting. How- Under the same Section any other over 50cal non-shotgun cartridge can be classified as Exempt For Sporting Use by applying for the exemption, like I have done for my cases,and many others(JDJ-AHR-Etc) have done, as well as cases already sporting from the old days. Now as for hunting rules in shotgun areas, game depts may say that you can't use long range spitzer bullets but must use traditional blunt slugs, for safety. Hunting rules are varied all over the place. More history of firsts, in our 12ga FH and big bore work. The first gun of mine to have this case was my Savage 210 in first picture with a regular style heavy stock. Later changed to thumbhole stock. I changed barrel to heavy bull barrel and chambered it for the 12ga FH 3.85" long case. Second picture is the first NEF 12ga Ultra that we put the first 12ga fH case in. I only had to lengthen chamber. The same gun now has long barrel and thumbhole stock. Third picture is first NEF 10ga heavy barrel that we put the 10ga FH in. Gun came with long 30" heavy barrel. Fourth picture is the first 8ga test gun we built using the super strong 8ga kiln cases with the belt step swaged down. It is an Enfield that we reamed out to take the case, like the 12ga Mauser 12ga conversions were done. And we added extra rear bolt lugs for strength. Fifth picture is the 1st gun my 585HE was put in. It is an Enfield and gets 750gr bullet 2700 fps. [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_redone.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_nef.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_10gafhbg.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_8en.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_585enth.jpg[/img] And in the vein of old time gun actions, of which are various falling blocks, we like them also for the hairy big bores, like the 8bore and 4bore ones we made over the years, that are pictured above. Following are 3 pictures of various parts and processes of making the action, using easy to get small parts, lever, trigger, hammer, etc, and the action block, breach block from steel blocks in 1st pic. Last 2 pictures are the FBW brand falling blocks, one which is the Model L that we adapted to the one piece stock and the other is the smaller Model S with regular two piece stock. Both are set up with my 585HE. I can run full pressure in the 585. The Model L, I can switch to a 20ga barrel, 600NE barrel, and my 700HE using moderate loads. Last pic is Model L with thumb hole stock, and my 585HE case in the action..Ed [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_stbl.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_emptyact.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_brchside.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_fbw2pc.jpg[/img] [img]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_fbw1pc.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE]
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