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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3953595" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>Blue Dot powder for reduced .223 loads.</p><p></p><p>Look that up it will tickle your fancy.</p><p>H4895 can be reduced by 60% in anything that you have load data for that used H4895.</p><p></p><p>Look that up also.</p><p>Never forget about cast lead loads either.</p><p>They work much better many times than a jacketed bullet at very low velocities.</p><p></p><p>Not going to cycle an AR but that is not an issue really unless you need that to happen.</p><p></p><p>A guy named Seafire posted this Below data on another forum I believe.</p><p></p><p>"Blue Dot Range Report: 223 Caliber ( Full )</p><p></p><p>Bullet Weights Tested:</p><p>1. 35 grain Hornady V Max</p><p>2. 40 grain Hornady Vmax</p><p>3. 45 grain Sierra SP</p><p>4. 50 grain Sierra SMP</p><p>5. 52 grain Sierra Boat Tail Match</p><p>6. 55 grain Winchester FMJ</p><p></p><p>Rifle Used: Ruger 77 Mk 2, VT 26 inch Barrel, Stainless Steel First yr Model</p><p></p><p>Case: Lake City Surplus, previously fired</p><p></p><p>Primer: Remington 6 ½</p><p></p><p>Powder: Blue Dot</p><p></p><p>Charge Weight Tested: 4 grains to 14 grains.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Weather: Sunny, NO clouds, 80 degrees, NO wind,</p><p></p><p>Altitude: 2000 ft</p><p></p><p>Humidity: Very Low</p><p></p><p></p><p>Field Results:</p><p></p><p></p><p>35 grain Hornady V Max:</p><p></p><p>4 grs: 1284 fps</p><p>5 grs: 1488 fps</p><p>6 grs: 1862 fps</p><p>7 grs: 2163 fps</p><p>8 grs: 2392 fps</p><p></p><p>9 grs: 2636 fps</p><p>10 grs: 2722 fps</p><p>11 grs: 3076 fps</p><p>12 grs: 3205 fps</p><p>13 grs: NO Reading</p><p>14 grs: 3518 fps</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hornady 40 grain Vmax:</p><p></p><p>4 grs: 1161 fps</p><p>5 grs: 1538 fps</p><p>6 grs: 1798 fps</p><p>7 grs: 2148 fps</p><p></p><p>8 grs: 2243 fps</p><p>9 grs: 2539 fps</p><p>10 grs: 2771 fps</p><p>11 grs: 2956 fps</p><p></p><p>12 grs: 3013 fps</p><p>13 grs: 3218 fps</p><p>14 grs: 3375 fps</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sierra 45 grain SP</p><p></p><p>4 grs: 1239 fps</p><p>5 grs: 1447 fps</p><p>6 grs: 1688 fps</p><p>7 grs: 1880 fps</p><p></p><p>8 grs: 2118 fps</p><p>9 grs: 2363 fps</p><p>10 grs: 2553 fps</p><p>11 grs: 2811 fps</p><p></p><p>12 grs: 2875 fps</p><p>13 grs: 3008 fps</p><p>14 grs: 3164 fps</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sierra 50 grains SMP</p><p></p><p>4 grs: 1064 fps</p><p>5 grs: 1345 fps</p><p>6 grs: 1624 fps</p><p>7 grs: 1788 fps</p><p></p><p>8 grs: 2033 fps</p><p>9 grs: 2257 fps</p><p>10 grs: 2466 fps</p><p>11 grs: 2655 fps</p><p>12 grs: 2779 fps</p><p></p><p>13 grs: 2882 fps</p><p>14 grs: 3038 fps</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sierra 52 grain Boattail Hollow Point Match</p><p></p><p>4 grs: 1061 fps</p><p>5grs: 1460 fps</p><p>6 grs: 1632 fps</p><p>7 grs: 1916 fps</p><p></p><p>8 grs: 2142 fps</p><p>9 grs: 2225 fps</p><p>10 gr: NO Reading</p><p>11 grs: 2673 fps</p><p></p><p>12 grs: 2782 fps</p><p>13 grs: 2879 fps</p><p>14 grs: 3012 fps</p><p></p><p></p><p>Winchester 55 grain FMJ</p><p></p><p>4 grs: 896 fps</p><p>5 grs: 1264 fps</p><p>6 grs: 1568 fps</p><p>7 grs: 1825 fps</p><p>8 grs: 1994 fps</p><p></p><p>9 grs: 2201 fps</p><p>10 grs: 2328 fps</p><p>11 grs: 2453 fps</p><p></p><p>12 grs: 2677 fps</p><p>13 grs: 2821 fps</p><p>14 grs: 2915 fps</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Notes:</p><p></p><p>1. IN the evaluation of the 223, I came further to the conclusion of the versatility of the 223 in the use of training new shooters, and for a very versatile varmint caliber.</p><p>2. Essentially the 223 can be loaded to the specs of a 22 Long rifle, a 218 Bee, a 221 Fireball, a 222 Remington, a 22 Hornet, and a 22 Win Mag., while allowing the shooter to be able to pick the type of bullet that he prefers.</p><p>3. Bullets were limited to use of 35 grains to 55 grains. Heavier bullets will not serve any purpose unless a 223 is to be used for deer hunting. I do not believe that their would be a significant difference in the use of a 55 grain bullet vs a 60 grain bullet.</p><p>4. The recoil on the lighter loads using 4 to 6 grains of powder had minimal recoil if any at all. These would be ideal for young shooters being trained.</p><p>5. Noise level on the lighter loads ( 4 to 6 grains) were on par with a rim fire. An increase in noise level was very noticeable above 7 grains, but still very acceptable. ( No sounding like a rim fire any more)</p><p></p><p>Noted Observations:</p><p></p><p>1. It was noted but not considered part of the testing, with a tree used as a back stop for some of the testing, that all bullets ( 45 to 55 grains)penetrated thru the tree at a distance of 20 yds.</p><p>2. The diameter of the tree was measured at 5 inches.</p><p>3. The 40 grain Vmax loads failed to penetrate the tree at loads above 10 grs, above 2771 fps. However at 10 grains and less, the bullets penetrated thru the tree and did a large amount of damage ( like turning the wood into tooth picks) on the exit side of the tree. The penetration stopped at the 5 grain load.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Some of the Authors Conclusions:</p><p></p><p>1. I learned some significant items beyond the versatility of the 223 with the bullets tested, but focusing on its use in the field, got some ideas.</p><p>2. A light rifle such as a Winchester Featherweight or Rugers Compact model with a 16.5 inch barrel or the Ultra Light with a 20 inch barrel would make a good combo with the use of Blue Dot.</p><p>3. Since the powder is burned cleanly in the first 10 to 12 inches of barrel, the shorter barrels are not handicapping velocity in the lighter shorter rifles.</p><p>4. The penetration of the 40 grain Vmax into the tree did make me ponder the use of those plastic tip varmint rounds as potential loads for small deer for youth shooters. Just like my observations in the larger calibers, the plastic tipped bullet seem to do a lot more damage, at velocities under 2700 fps. The Vmax surprised me. This is a decision any shooter will have to test on his own and make their own decisions. I am just passing on that I saw potential merit in the application.</p><p>5. Although one has to weigh out the potential of Plastic Tipped Varmint bullets on bigger game like deer and antelope, some of these loads in real life use, utilizing Barnes X bullets in 22 caliber I can recommend. They make a 45 grain, 50 grain and 53 grain bullet. The way I saw much better penetration and more damage in wood, at the lower range velocities, 2200 to 2700 fps, this would make a good deer load in many parts of the USA, and recoil is minimal.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I did not test any bigger bullets as I feel that those tested would be represent the best potential with the powder. 60, 63, 64, 65 grain bullets and then the larger match bullets did not give what I considered useful velocity when I have shot them before with Blue Dot, in respect to their field design uses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here is the following info on that range report:</p><p>this should help you out.. remember to charge a case and then seat the bullet before going onto the next cartridge, that will eliminate the chance of an accidental double charge.. blue dot is bulky tho.. near max charges will not be a problem...</p><p></p><p>223 Range Report</p><p></p><p>Powder: Blue Dot</p><p></p><p>Bullet: Berger 30 grain HP, Varmint</p><p></p><p>Rifle Used: Ruger 77 VT</p><p></p><p>Barrel Length: 26 inches</p><p></p><p>Primer Used: Winchester Small Rifle</p><p></p><p>Bullet O.A.L. : 15.55 mms</p><p></p><p>Cartridge O.A.L. : 57.93 mms</p><p></p><p></p><p>10 grs: 2844 fps</p><p></p><p>11 grs: 3082 fps</p><p></p><p>12 grs: 3210 fps</p><p></p><p>13 grs: 3407 fps</p><p></p><p>14 grs: 3712 fps</p><p></p><p>15 grs: 3797 fps</p><p></p><p>15.5 grs: 3814 fps</p><p></p><p>16 grs: 3873 fps</p><p></p><p>16.5 grs: 3957 fps.</p><p></p><p>Accuracy Potential:</p><p>Load of 15 grains of Blue Dot, 30 gr Berger, WSR primer:</p><p>5 shot group size@ 100 yds: 0.4260 0.224 bullet diameter = 0.202 group size</p><p>Scope: 6.5 x 20 Simmons.. setting at 10 Power.</p><p></p><p>Personally my max load is 15 grains.. the extra 150 fps between that and 16.5 grains is not much gained..</p><p></p><p>Again, these are for academic reference only, anyone using these do so at their own risk, as I can not be responsible for other people loading techniques.. these proved to be accurate in my firearms"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 3953595, member: 15054"] Blue Dot powder for reduced .223 loads. Look that up it will tickle your fancy. H4895 can be reduced by 60% in anything that you have load data for that used H4895. Look that up also. Never forget about cast lead loads either. They work much better many times than a jacketed bullet at very low velocities. Not going to cycle an AR but that is not an issue really unless you need that to happen. A guy named Seafire posted this Below data on another forum I believe. "Blue Dot Range Report: 223 Caliber ( Full ) Bullet Weights Tested: 1. 35 grain Hornady V Max 2. 40 grain Hornady Vmax 3. 45 grain Sierra SP 4. 50 grain Sierra SMP 5. 52 grain Sierra Boat Tail Match 6. 55 grain Winchester FMJ Rifle Used: Ruger 77 Mk 2, VT 26 inch Barrel, Stainless Steel First yr Model Case: Lake City Surplus, previously fired Primer: Remington 6 ½ Powder: Blue Dot Charge Weight Tested: 4 grains to 14 grains. Weather: Sunny, NO clouds, 80 degrees, NO wind, Altitude: 2000 ft Humidity: Very Low Field Results: 35 grain Hornady V Max: 4 grs: 1284 fps 5 grs: 1488 fps 6 grs: 1862 fps 7 grs: 2163 fps 8 grs: 2392 fps 9 grs: 2636 fps 10 grs: 2722 fps 11 grs: 3076 fps 12 grs: 3205 fps 13 grs: NO Reading 14 grs: 3518 fps Hornady 40 grain Vmax: 4 grs: 1161 fps 5 grs: 1538 fps 6 grs: 1798 fps 7 grs: 2148 fps 8 grs: 2243 fps 9 grs: 2539 fps 10 grs: 2771 fps 11 grs: 2956 fps 12 grs: 3013 fps 13 grs: 3218 fps 14 grs: 3375 fps Sierra 45 grain SP 4 grs: 1239 fps 5 grs: 1447 fps 6 grs: 1688 fps 7 grs: 1880 fps 8 grs: 2118 fps 9 grs: 2363 fps 10 grs: 2553 fps 11 grs: 2811 fps 12 grs: 2875 fps 13 grs: 3008 fps 14 grs: 3164 fps Sierra 50 grains SMP 4 grs: 1064 fps 5 grs: 1345 fps 6 grs: 1624 fps 7 grs: 1788 fps 8 grs: 2033 fps 9 grs: 2257 fps 10 grs: 2466 fps 11 grs: 2655 fps 12 grs: 2779 fps 13 grs: 2882 fps 14 grs: 3038 fps Sierra 52 grain Boattail Hollow Point Match 4 grs: 1061 fps 5grs: 1460 fps 6 grs: 1632 fps 7 grs: 1916 fps 8 grs: 2142 fps 9 grs: 2225 fps 10 gr: NO Reading 11 grs: 2673 fps 12 grs: 2782 fps 13 grs: 2879 fps 14 grs: 3012 fps Winchester 55 grain FMJ 4 grs: 896 fps 5 grs: 1264 fps 6 grs: 1568 fps 7 grs: 1825 fps 8 grs: 1994 fps 9 grs: 2201 fps 10 grs: 2328 fps 11 grs: 2453 fps 12 grs: 2677 fps 13 grs: 2821 fps 14 grs: 2915 fps Notes: 1. IN the evaluation of the 223, I came further to the conclusion of the versatility of the 223 in the use of training new shooters, and for a very versatile varmint caliber. 2. Essentially the 223 can be loaded to the specs of a 22 Long rifle, a 218 Bee, a 221 Fireball, a 222 Remington, a 22 Hornet, and a 22 Win Mag., while allowing the shooter to be able to pick the type of bullet that he prefers. 3. Bullets were limited to use of 35 grains to 55 grains. Heavier bullets will not serve any purpose unless a 223 is to be used for deer hunting. I do not believe that their would be a significant difference in the use of a 55 grain bullet vs a 60 grain bullet. 4. The recoil on the lighter loads using 4 to 6 grains of powder had minimal recoil if any at all. These would be ideal for young shooters being trained. 5. Noise level on the lighter loads ( 4 to 6 grains) were on par with a rim fire. An increase in noise level was very noticeable above 7 grains, but still very acceptable. ( No sounding like a rim fire any more) Noted Observations: 1. It was noted but not considered part of the testing, with a tree used as a back stop for some of the testing, that all bullets ( 45 to 55 grains)penetrated thru the tree at a distance of 20 yds. 2. The diameter of the tree was measured at 5 inches. 3. The 40 grain Vmax loads failed to penetrate the tree at loads above 10 grs, above 2771 fps. However at 10 grains and less, the bullets penetrated thru the tree and did a large amount of damage ( like turning the wood into tooth picks) on the exit side of the tree. The penetration stopped at the 5 grain load. Some of the Authors Conclusions: 1. I learned some significant items beyond the versatility of the 223 with the bullets tested, but focusing on its use in the field, got some ideas. 2. A light rifle such as a Winchester Featherweight or Rugers Compact model with a 16.5 inch barrel or the Ultra Light with a 20 inch barrel would make a good combo with the use of Blue Dot. 3. Since the powder is burned cleanly in the first 10 to 12 inches of barrel, the shorter barrels are not handicapping velocity in the lighter shorter rifles. 4. The penetration of the 40 grain Vmax into the tree did make me ponder the use of those plastic tip varmint rounds as potential loads for small deer for youth shooters. Just like my observations in the larger calibers, the plastic tipped bullet seem to do a lot more damage, at velocities under 2700 fps. The Vmax surprised me. This is a decision any shooter will have to test on his own and make their own decisions. I am just passing on that I saw potential merit in the application. 5. Although one has to weigh out the potential of Plastic Tipped Varmint bullets on bigger game like deer and antelope, some of these loads in real life use, utilizing Barnes X bullets in 22 caliber I can recommend. They make a 45 grain, 50 grain and 53 grain bullet. The way I saw much better penetration and more damage in wood, at the lower range velocities, 2200 to 2700 fps, this would make a good deer load in many parts of the USA, and recoil is minimal. I did not test any bigger bullets as I feel that those tested would be represent the best potential with the powder. 60, 63, 64, 65 grain bullets and then the larger match bullets did not give what I considered useful velocity when I have shot them before with Blue Dot, in respect to their field design uses. Here is the following info on that range report: this should help you out.. remember to charge a case and then seat the bullet before going onto the next cartridge, that will eliminate the chance of an accidental double charge.. blue dot is bulky tho.. near max charges will not be a problem... 223 Range Report Powder: Blue Dot Bullet: Berger 30 grain HP, Varmint Rifle Used: Ruger 77 VT Barrel Length: 26 inches Primer Used: Winchester Small Rifle Bullet O.A.L. : 15.55 mms Cartridge O.A.L. : 57.93 mms 10 grs: 2844 fps 11 grs: 3082 fps 12 grs: 3210 fps 13 grs: 3407 fps 14 grs: 3712 fps 15 grs: 3797 fps 15.5 grs: 3814 fps 16 grs: 3873 fps 16.5 grs: 3957 fps. Accuracy Potential: Load of 15 grains of Blue Dot, 30 gr Berger, WSR primer: 5 shot group size@ 100 yds: 0.4260 0.224 bullet diameter = 0.202 group size Scope: 6.5 x 20 Simmons.. setting at 10 Power. Personally my max load is 15 grains.. the extra 150 fps between that and 16.5 grains is not much gained.. Again, these are for academic reference only, anyone using these do so at their own risk, as I can not be responsible for other people loading techniques.. these proved to be accurate in my firearms" [/QUOTE]
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