Found this in a NRA book from the early 1960s.
Here is the listing for 30 Luger.
Look familiar?
Here is the listing for 30 Luger.
Look familiar?
Eh, kinda. The .30 Luger is bottle-necked and the Super is tapered. Ballistically the same though. The Super is just a tad smaller overall, and I'm sure S&W and Federal needed the smaller cartridge to fit the existing pistol for greater capacity. I wouldn't be surprised to find that they used the Luger as inspiration.
Ecclesiastes 1:4-11
A generation goes, and a generation comes,
but the earth remains forever.
The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
and hastens to the place where it rises.
The wind blows to the south
and goes around to the north;
around and around goes the wind,
and on its circuits the wind returns.
All streams run to the sea,
but the sea is not full;
to the place where the streams flow,
there they flow again.
All things are full of weariness;
a man cannot utter it;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
nor the ear filled with hearing.
What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said,
“See, this is new”?
It has been already
in the ages before us.
There is no remembrance of former things,
nor will there be any remembrance
of later things yet to be among those who come after.
A generation goes, and a generation comes,
but the earth remains forever.
The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
and hastens to the place where it rises.
The wind blows to the south
and goes around to the north;
around and around goes the wind,
and on its circuits the wind returns.
All streams run to the sea,
but the sea is not full;
to the place where the streams flow,
there they flow again.
All things are full of weariness;
a man cannot utter it;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
nor the ear filled with hearing.
What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there a thing of which it is said,
“See, this is new”?
It has been already
in the ages before us.
There is no remembrance of former things,
nor will there be any remembrance
of later things yet to be among those who come after.
I think that the 7.65mm French Long is more of a fit for the idea of 30sc.
Don't know if it's correct but according to Wikipedia the .30 Pederson cartridge ( for a conversion device intended to make 1903 Springfields into lower powered blowback semi-autos) was may have been the grand pappy of the idea:
"The US .30 Pedersen cartridge (auto pistol ball cartridge caliber .30 Model of 1918 or .30-18 Automatic) used in the Pedersen device was the basis for the 7.65×20mm Long. The cartridge dimensions were identical, although Pedersen device cartridges were loaded with a slightly heavier 80 grains (5.2 g) bullet which achieved a velocity of 1,300 feet per second (400 m/s) in the longer barrel of M1903 Springfield rifles."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65×20mm_Long
"The US .30 Pedersen cartridge (auto pistol ball cartridge caliber .30 Model of 1918 or .30-18 Automatic) used in the Pedersen device was the basis for the 7.65×20mm Long. The cartridge dimensions were identical, although Pedersen device cartridges were loaded with a slightly heavier 80 grains (5.2 g) bullet which achieved a velocity of 1,300 feet per second (400 m/s) in the longer barrel of M1903 Springfield rifles."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65×20mm_Long
I predict this cartridge goes the way of the 45 Gap !!
357 sig. Oohh a bottle neck pistol cartridge.
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