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<blockquote data-quote="joegrizzy" data-source="post: 3808127" data-attributes="member: 45524"><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment[/URL]</p><p></p><p>from the article (mind you i tend to use "liberal" sources from many years ago to demonstrate my points. two of the above charts are from NPR; this is from PBS)</p><p></p><p>>But while federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid, a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor pays about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants. Most of it goes to reimburse hospitals for delivering babies for women who show up in their emergency rooms, according to interviews with hospital officials and studies.</p><p></p><p>>**<strong>Hospitals can’t ask patients whether they’re illegal immigrants, but instead determine that after checking whether they have Social Security numbers, birth certificates or other documents</strong>**.</p><p></p><p>>“We gather information to qualify patients for something and through that process, **if you really hit a dead end, you know they are illegal,**” said Steve Short, the chief financial officer at Tampa General Hospital.</p><p></p><p>><strong>A 2007 medical article in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that **99 percent of those who used Emergency Medicaid during a four-year period in North Carolina were thought to be illegal immigrants.**</strong></p><p></p><p>>Data that Kaiser Health News collected from **<strong>seven states that are thought to have the highest numbers of illegal immigrants show that the funding pays for emergency services delivered to more than 100,000 people a year.**</strong></p><p></p><p>><strong>**California hospitals get about half the $2 billion spent annually on Emergency Medicaid. The rest is spread mainly among a handful of states.**</strong></p><p></p><p>>In 2011, for example:</p><p></p><p>>**<strong>New York spent $528 million on Emergency Medicaid for nearly 30,000 people. Texas reported 240,000 claims costing $331 million. (One person could be responsible for multiple claims.) Florida spent $214 million on 31,000 patients. North Carolina spent $48 million on about 19,000 people. Arizona spent $115 million. It couldn’t break out the number of people. Illinois spent $25 million on the cost of care to nearly 2,000 people. The federal government doesn’t require states to report how many people receive services through Emergency Medicaid payments to hospitals.</strong>**</p><p></p><p>This article is from CBS News from 2008.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>>It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is with a woman who is nine months pregnant. <strong>She's rushed to a south Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.</strong></p><p></p><p>>"<strong>Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the United States?" Pitts asked.</strong></p><p></p><p>><strong>"Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help children so much more."</strong></p><p></p><p>we know it's happening. we know it's been happening. i have all sorts of numbers on this that when viewed as whole are literally mindboggling.</p><p></p><p>how many babies are born in the us every year? how many are illegal? do you know? would you like to know the most recent estimates?</p><p></p><p>then you consider that this replacement isn't just from births; it's happening at ALL AGES of the population. it's not just babies being born that will take 18-20 years to mature until they can reproduce. no, it's people coming in literally pregnant who will get pregnant again in the next few years. it's old people coming in that won't reproduce, but are still coming in.</p><p></p><p>it's not going to take the usual time for demographic replacement thru typical breeding, like what happened the indian tribes in america. no it's happening en masse and will happen without anyone noticing. it already has. i've been to states where it's not a thing and they don't believe me when i talk about what i see everyday. we've just become accustomed to it; and others don't even believe us. by the time they reach....ya know maine and vermont....well......</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joegrizzy, post: 3808127, member: 45524"] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment[/URL] from the article (mind you i tend to use "liberal" sources from many years ago to demonstrate my points. two of the above charts are from NPR; this is from PBS) >But while federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid, a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor pays about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants. Most of it goes to reimburse hospitals for delivering babies for women who show up in their emergency rooms, according to interviews with hospital officials and studies. >**[B]Hospitals can’t ask patients whether they’re illegal immigrants, but instead determine that after checking whether they have Social Security numbers, birth certificates or other documents[/B]**. >“We gather information to qualify patients for something and through that process, **if you really hit a dead end, you know they are illegal,**” said Steve Short, the chief financial officer at Tampa General Hospital. >[B]A 2007 medical article in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that **99 percent of those who used Emergency Medicaid during a four-year period in North Carolina were thought to be illegal immigrants.**[/B] >Data that Kaiser Health News collected from **[B]seven states that are thought to have the highest numbers of illegal immigrants show that the funding pays for emergency services delivered to more than 100,000 people a year.**[/B] >[B]**California hospitals get about half the $2 billion spent annually on Emergency Medicaid. The rest is spread mainly among a handful of states.**[/B] >In 2011, for example: >**[B]New York spent $528 million on Emergency Medicaid for nearly 30,000 people. Texas reported 240,000 claims costing $331 million. (One person could be responsible for multiple claims.) Florida spent $214 million on 31,000 patients. North Carolina spent $48 million on about 19,000 people. Arizona spent $115 million. It couldn’t break out the number of people. Illinois spent $25 million on the cost of care to nearly 2,000 people. The federal government doesn’t require states to report how many people receive services through Emergency Medicaid payments to hospitals.[/B]** This article is from CBS News from 2008. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/[/URL] >It was 5 a.m. and CBS News national correspondent Byron Pitts is with a woman who is nine months pregnant. [B]She's rushed to a south Texas hospital to undergo a C-section - a $4,700 medical procedure that won't cost her a dime. She qualifies for emergency Medicaid.[/B] >"[B]Do many women in Mexico make the choice to have their children in the United States?" Pitts asked.[/B] >[B]"Yes," she said through a translator. "I know people who have done that. Things are much better here in the U.S. because they help children so much more."[/B] we know it's happening. we know it's been happening. i have all sorts of numbers on this that when viewed as whole are literally mindboggling. how many babies are born in the us every year? how many are illegal? do you know? would you like to know the most recent estimates? then you consider that this replacement isn't just from births; it's happening at ALL AGES of the population. it's not just babies being born that will take 18-20 years to mature until they can reproduce. no, it's people coming in literally pregnant who will get pregnant again in the next few years. it's old people coming in that won't reproduce, but are still coming in. it's not going to take the usual time for demographic replacement thru typical breeding, like what happened the indian tribes in america. no it's happening en masse and will happen without anyone noticing. it already has. i've been to states where it's not a thing and they don't believe me when i talk about what i see everyday. we've just become accustomed to it; and others don't even believe us. by the time they reach....ya know maine and vermont....well...... [/QUOTE]
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