5 Clues that Training is Not Realistic

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J.P.

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10mm1911 said:
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[I]If you haven't seen your kydex holster fail in ten years, my guess is you haven't been training very hard with it. That means hard wrestling where you are picked up and deposited hard on the ground and continued to fight from there. It means being punched in the face and disoriented prior to a clinched gun grab or takedown.

Nobody, that I know of, is doing this type of training in this immediate area on a wide-scale basis and only a handful are doing it anywhere. If you have trained with someone who is, consider yourself fortunate.

However if you had, and I am not trying to be condescending or arrogant, but you probably would already have seen the answer firsthand.[/I]


I am a legal, civilian, concealed carrier. My best guess is that when I'm involved in a weapon retention bug tussle, chances are best that it will involve an already drawn handgun. I don't discount the possibility of a fight over a holstered handgun, I just see a fight over a handgun IN MY HANDS as the most probable. I spend the majority of my training time and efforts on what I think is most probable. Yep, we have trained and rassled pretty hard over dummy handguns, up to and including trading knees to the groin!

Now if I were in the habit of wearing a uniform, and a plainly visible handgun, I suspect I'd spent the bulk of my training time and efforts on protecting a pistol that's still IN THE HOLSTER. I suspect we're doing pretty similar things, just from very different perspectives.

Trouble is,no matter how good you are,you might be on the ground before you can draw.
You have to always consider that possibility.
 

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10mm1911,
although you've made it clear that you will no longer be posting here...

You need not take offense to any advice or anecdotal information written by anyone on the internet.Especially with someone who actually has a lot of real world experience.
Mike would probably be the first person to tell you that he is not the greatest trainer of all time but would not be doing anyone a service by giving information contrary to his experience.Plain and simple.
Nobody is siding with or ganging up on anyone.
I disagree with Michael often about many things in life,politics,ballistics,even sometimes moderation of this forum.

Siding with good tactical advice is a good thing to do.
I'll take his training and expertise anyday of the week over somebody who has lesser qualifications.

The "I'm the execption" example which you gave, is foiled on a daily basis in the real world.That's all I was saying.



You are certainly welcome to disagree with and debate anyone's methods if you so choose as long as it is in a courteous manner.

In fact,if you *are* a trainer,your expertise would certainly be welcome here,as we could always use more great resources.
J.P.
 

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We're trying to work out a deal with a new facility for 2006 so our pistol course schedule is on hold right now.

We will be offering the CQT course in February or March as the first class of the year. It really is our best course.

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Bravo M.B! I see so many people take one class or worse yet, buy a video and think that they are 10-8 and GTG. I still like my Serpa because of it's retention, but there are always options. I tell people that rule number one in a gunfight is have a gun! Yet, so many people do not train. It is kind of like buying a car and not knowing how to drive. Of course, avoidance is always preferable. Keep up the good work M.B. Hoov
 

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Thank you for the kind words.

My dislike of the Serpa is not based on its retention capabilities, which I consider very good for a concealed holster.

My dislike for the Serpa is that I believe its unsafe because it requires you to use your trigger finger in a convulsive manner, similar to the way you pull the trigger. There have been several documented A.D.'s with the Serpa in a short period of time.

Its retention capabilities and the great feature of it locking in when its re-holstered are awesome. I just don't think it offsets the weakness.

But that's purely a personal decision and I've been known to be opinionated about these sort of things. :wink2:

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