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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3264900" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>Thanks Cowcatcher I hear ya on not following the beaten path.. make your own path.</p><p>I have over 8 lbs of H4350 and 24 lbs of IMR 4064.</p><p>I wanted 4064 to work as I use it in many rifles and it is excellent.</p><p>But case fill hurt me today.. you get air in the case and that air can warm up and make groups look sad.</p><p>So I have heard.</p><p></p><p>Now onto the 123 gr bullet.</p><p>Barrel life is it any different with a long bearing surface bullet vs a short bearing surface. That is on the bottom of my list but is there and I figure the 140's will be very long and I do not like the idea of a lot of the bullet into the case powder area.</p><p>I figured the 123 would be in the neck mostly and possibly have less of a long boat tail.</p><p></p><p>To get BC up they really crank out a long boat tail..I have not found good accuracy with that for the distances i plan to shoot.</p><p>If they had a 120-125 gr flat base in stock i would have got it.</p><p></p><p>Number 1 reason for the light bullet is I want to have quick expansion for quicker kills on critters.</p><p>The deadliest bullet I ever shot deer or hogs with was the little 55gr V-Max in .223.</p><p>Goes in about 2" and bores a 2" hole and then explodes like a hand grenade. Bang Flop.</p><p></p><p>I am hoping the 123 gr will be more like that and I think a 140 gr may exit easier and rip the far side shoulder off.</p><p>I just have best luck with lighter stuff for killing stuff that goes into my freezer.</p><p>I do not eat guts or heart or liver anymore so the exploded bullet in that area does not bother me.</p><p></p><p>I used 178 A-Max from my .308 on 2 deer and decided NO MORE of that.</p><p>Destroyed both front shoulders on 1 shot.</p><p>Next one almost took the head off the deer.</p><p>Pick your shot and bullet I suppose.</p><p>Just theory on this 123 ELDM for now..I will get meat to shoot at before I put theory to test on a deer.</p><p>Did the same with the 55 gr V-Max.</p><p></p><p>I also did some trajectory math based on published velocities and BC with 140 gr and the 123 gr.</p><p>Looked like the 123 will work best for my hunting distances.</p><p>If I was to shoot stuff like paper or steel past 500 yards the 140 may be better.</p><p>This pencil barrel, flimsy stock, stiff trigger Axis with Weaver 3-9x40 is not made for that.</p><p>I was thinking if accuracy was not good i would cut the barrel to 20 and retest and if still not good it would go to 18"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 3264900, member: 15054"] Thanks Cowcatcher I hear ya on not following the beaten path.. make your own path. I have over 8 lbs of H4350 and 24 lbs of IMR 4064. I wanted 4064 to work as I use it in many rifles and it is excellent. But case fill hurt me today.. you get air in the case and that air can warm up and make groups look sad. So I have heard. Now onto the 123 gr bullet. Barrel life is it any different with a long bearing surface bullet vs a short bearing surface. That is on the bottom of my list but is there and I figure the 140's will be very long and I do not like the idea of a lot of the bullet into the case powder area. I figured the 123 would be in the neck mostly and possibly have less of a long boat tail. To get BC up they really crank out a long boat tail..I have not found good accuracy with that for the distances i plan to shoot. If they had a 120-125 gr flat base in stock i would have got it. Number 1 reason for the light bullet is I want to have quick expansion for quicker kills on critters. The deadliest bullet I ever shot deer or hogs with was the little 55gr V-Max in .223. Goes in about 2" and bores a 2" hole and then explodes like a hand grenade. Bang Flop. I am hoping the 123 gr will be more like that and I think a 140 gr may exit easier and rip the far side shoulder off. I just have best luck with lighter stuff for killing stuff that goes into my freezer. I do not eat guts or heart or liver anymore so the exploded bullet in that area does not bother me. I used 178 A-Max from my .308 on 2 deer and decided NO MORE of that. Destroyed both front shoulders on 1 shot. Next one almost took the head off the deer. Pick your shot and bullet I suppose. Just theory on this 123 ELDM for now..I will get meat to shoot at before I put theory to test on a deer. Did the same with the 55 gr V-Max. I also did some trajectory math based on published velocities and BC with 140 gr and the 123 gr. Looked like the 123 will work best for my hunting distances. If I was to shoot stuff like paper or steel past 500 yards the 140 may be better. This pencil barrel, flimsy stock, stiff trigger Axis with Weaver 3-9x40 is not made for that. I was thinking if accuracy was not good i would cut the barrel to 20 and retest and if still not good it would go to 18" [/QUOTE]
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