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<blockquote data-quote="Iwant1" data-source="post: 1569680" data-attributes="member: 2905"><p>Why is this always a debate? I think it's a pride issue. The real answer to these debates is this: Whatever each person has is the best! That's the only real answer for us manly men who can't except reality....</p><p> After reading I can't help but add my two cents. To get the most out of any caliber whether it be for animals or humans, you always want the bullet to enter, and STOP if possible. If not stop, slow it down as much as possible. The reason being, is because every bullet has energy and we want our target to receive as much of that energy as possible. If the bullet leaves the target after striking it, that is lost energy and then becomes a huge risk factor as well. The goal then is to choose a caliber, bullet style and brand that will enter and slow down as much as possible if not stop. </p><p> For illustrations sake, imagine a needle that weighs 1 pound and is projected at 1000 fps. The small diameter of the needle + the weight of the needle (momentum) + the velocity would result in a highly penetrating bullet. The penetration would be EXTREMELY dangerous. This is why .22's have so much penetration or a .223 as well. Now, on the other end of of the spectrum imagine a larger diameter object like a marble (3/4" diam.) being projected at just enough velocity for human penetration. Because of the large diameter and the slow velocity, the results will be similar to being punched with a fist (except with more blood). Have you ever wondered why a person being shot with a bullet having around 450 foot pounds of energy doesn't actually push the object back 5 feet? But if you punch someone in the chest with all of a man's force, the fist does not penetrate but pushes the individual back around 5 feet in some/most cases knocking them down. This knock down power is based on the velocity and the diameter of the fist versus the bullet. The bullet causes more destruction, but the fist actually pushes the assailant off of you and pushes them back 5 feet. Therefore, the idea is to find a bullet/caliber that will penetrate, open up and slow down as much as possible before exiting for the object to receive as much of the bullets energy as possible. </p><p> So the next time you're out in the woods, shoot stuff with different calibers and see the results for yourself. </p><p> I will add that there are many variables to the above ideas. Distance and barrel lengths make a big difference and also if you custom load your ammo. There may be cases where you want more penetration (like bear hunting) or for Law Enforcement scenarios and the above ideas would be irrelevant.</p><p> Please let me know if you guys agree or if I was unclear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iwant1, post: 1569680, member: 2905"] Why is this always a debate? I think it's a pride issue. The real answer to these debates is this: Whatever each person has is the best! That's the only real answer for us manly men who can't except reality.... After reading I can't help but add my two cents. To get the most out of any caliber whether it be for animals or humans, you always want the bullet to enter, and STOP if possible. If not stop, slow it down as much as possible. The reason being, is because every bullet has energy and we want our target to receive as much of that energy as possible. If the bullet leaves the target after striking it, that is lost energy and then becomes a huge risk factor as well. The goal then is to choose a caliber, bullet style and brand that will enter and slow down as much as possible if not stop. For illustrations sake, imagine a needle that weighs 1 pound and is projected at 1000 fps. The small diameter of the needle + the weight of the needle (momentum) + the velocity would result in a highly penetrating bullet. The penetration would be EXTREMELY dangerous. This is why .22's have so much penetration or a .223 as well. Now, on the other end of of the spectrum imagine a larger diameter object like a marble (3/4" diam.) being projected at just enough velocity for human penetration. Because of the large diameter and the slow velocity, the results will be similar to being punched with a fist (except with more blood). Have you ever wondered why a person being shot with a bullet having around 450 foot pounds of energy doesn't actually push the object back 5 feet? But if you punch someone in the chest with all of a man's force, the fist does not penetrate but pushes the individual back around 5 feet in some/most cases knocking them down. This knock down power is based on the velocity and the diameter of the fist versus the bullet. The bullet causes more destruction, but the fist actually pushes the assailant off of you and pushes them back 5 feet. Therefore, the idea is to find a bullet/caliber that will penetrate, open up and slow down as much as possible before exiting for the object to receive as much of the bullets energy as possible. So the next time you're out in the woods, shoot stuff with different calibers and see the results for yourself. I will add that there are many variables to the above ideas. Distance and barrel lengths make a big difference and also if you custom load your ammo. There may be cases where you want more penetration (like bear hunting) or for Law Enforcement scenarios and the above ideas would be irrelevant. Please let me know if you guys agree or if I was unclear. [/QUOTE]
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