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<blockquote data-quote="ERIC FUSON" data-source="post: 1572084" data-attributes="member: 74"><p>Over penetration is only a problem when considering any other bi standers in the area. Most hunting rifle rounds need to exit the target to get the best total wound channel possible. Unfortunately rifle ballistics do not translate to pistol ballistics. You need approx 2200 FPS to acheive tempory wound channels. 9,40,or 45 are not going to make that. That tells me that pistol bullets just poke holes. I have also shot many game animals with 9,40 and 45, and have observed very little difference in the time it takes the animal to go down with proper shot placement. On occasion i have also seen animals be alive long after the shot if placement was a little off. Only about 30% of people shot by handguns in this country die from the wound. All you really need to have an effective defense round is a projectile that will penetrate at least 12" of human flesh and bone. This will allow the bullet to actually get somewhere that can cause massive bleeding, loss of blood pressure and eventually the "stop" that you want. Put a bullet through a major artery and you still have an assailant that can fight for 3 minutes on average. Gun fight are over in much less time than that on average. Velosity is also of less importance that weight and construction of the bullet for penetration. 9mm will always penetrate more ballistic gel that 223 fmj, even though 223 is moving over 3000 fps. This age old argument can be settled by the test of what do you shoot fastest and most accurate. As Tom Givens says," A good hit with a marginal bullet is always better than a marginal hit with a good bullet.</p><p></p><p>Hope this helps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ERIC FUSON, post: 1572084, member: 74"] Over penetration is only a problem when considering any other bi standers in the area. Most hunting rifle rounds need to exit the target to get the best total wound channel possible. Unfortunately rifle ballistics do not translate to pistol ballistics. You need approx 2200 FPS to acheive tempory wound channels. 9,40,or 45 are not going to make that. That tells me that pistol bullets just poke holes. I have also shot many game animals with 9,40 and 45, and have observed very little difference in the time it takes the animal to go down with proper shot placement. On occasion i have also seen animals be alive long after the shot if placement was a little off. Only about 30% of people shot by handguns in this country die from the wound. All you really need to have an effective defense round is a projectile that will penetrate at least 12" of human flesh and bone. This will allow the bullet to actually get somewhere that can cause massive bleeding, loss of blood pressure and eventually the "stop" that you want. Put a bullet through a major artery and you still have an assailant that can fight for 3 minutes on average. Gun fight are over in much less time than that on average. Velosity is also of less importance that weight and construction of the bullet for penetration. 9mm will always penetrate more ballistic gel that 223 fmj, even though 223 is moving over 3000 fps. This age old argument can be settled by the test of what do you shoot fastest and most accurate. As Tom Givens says," A good hit with a marginal bullet is always better than a marginal hit with a good bullet. Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]
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