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<blockquote data-quote="BadgeBunny" data-source="post: 1994192" data-attributes="member: 1242"><p>Dang, brian ... Dude, just because it's "unlikely to happen" doesn't mean it won't happen, either. I can see how you thought SMS might have twisted someone else's words around because of your agenda, but hey! you look in the mirror much?? You know, those tired old arguments are coming from BOTH sides of the fence ...</p><p></p><p>I kinda think WAGS is right. Any type of holster can be circumvented, given a "properly motivated" individual but the particular fella GC is talking about is the CLASSIC example of EVERYTHING that is wrong with OC ... Carrying for the wrong reasons and carrying improperly (attitude and equipment wise). Quite frankly, I could have taken his gun from him and I'm nothing special.</p><p></p><p>This will stir up a firestorm in its own right but I've held this opinion even about concealed carry ever since I taught SDA classes -- there is not nearly enough training nor proper quals for folks who want to carry a weapon IMHO. The last thing I want to happen when I go out is to get shot with somebody else's gun because they weren't paying attention, had a holster that had NO opportunity for retention or had NO training in weapons retention -- or shot placement, for that matter.</p><p></p><p>And God forbid I ever have to use my firearm and then shoot an innocent bystander because I didn't "need" training ... And yes, another shitstorm is about to drop down -- MEN are a bazillon times worse about thinking they don't need any training than women are. You guys have your balls and your adrenaline -- for so many of you that seems to be enough. Problem is that's just "enough" to get you into a ton of trouble and wind up rooming with Jerome Ersland.</p><p></p><p>I've banged this drum around here for longer than a lot of you guys have been on this board -- there is NO EXCUSE for not getting training and regular practice if you are gonna carry a firearm. No excuse at all ...</p><p></p><p>If I had my way, every single person who carries a gun in public (whether concealed or open) would be required to get so many hours of CLEET-approved training EVERY YEAR AND shoot a minimum qualifier every quarter. That's right ... If it's good enough for law enforcement, it's good enough for anyone else who wants to carry ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BadgeBunny, post: 1994192, member: 1242"] Dang, brian ... Dude, just because it's "unlikely to happen" doesn't mean it won't happen, either. I can see how you thought SMS might have twisted someone else's words around because of your agenda, but hey! you look in the mirror much?? You know, those tired old arguments are coming from BOTH sides of the fence ... I kinda think WAGS is right. Any type of holster can be circumvented, given a "properly motivated" individual but the particular fella GC is talking about is the CLASSIC example of EVERYTHING that is wrong with OC ... Carrying for the wrong reasons and carrying improperly (attitude and equipment wise). Quite frankly, I could have taken his gun from him and I'm nothing special. This will stir up a firestorm in its own right but I've held this opinion even about concealed carry ever since I taught SDA classes -- there is not nearly enough training nor proper quals for folks who want to carry a weapon IMHO. The last thing I want to happen when I go out is to get shot with somebody else's gun because they weren't paying attention, had a holster that had NO opportunity for retention or had NO training in weapons retention -- or shot placement, for that matter. And God forbid I ever have to use my firearm and then shoot an innocent bystander because I didn't "need" training ... And yes, another shitstorm is about to drop down -- MEN are a bazillon times worse about thinking they don't need any training than women are. You guys have your balls and your adrenaline -- for so many of you that seems to be enough. Problem is that's just "enough" to get you into a ton of trouble and wind up rooming with Jerome Ersland. I've banged this drum around here for longer than a lot of you guys have been on this board -- there is NO EXCUSE for not getting training and regular practice if you are gonna carry a firearm. No excuse at all ... If I had my way, every single person who carries a gun in public (whether concealed or open) would be required to get so many hours of CLEET-approved training EVERY YEAR AND shoot a minimum qualifier every quarter. That's right ... If it's good enough for law enforcement, it's good enough for anyone else who wants to carry ... [/QUOTE]
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