Ahmaud Arbery

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Bonus footage of bodycam video of Arbery arrested for stealing a 65 inch TV from Walmart

Arbery was arrested. The Daily Beast, which reviewed the court files, has confirmed that Arbery was convicted of this "theft by shoplifting" charge

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-shooting-of-ahmaud-arbery-an-unarmed-black-man-is-roiling-georgia

This arrest violated Arbery's probation on this earlier gun possession conviction:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/


Just a “jogger” doing his “jogger thing”
 

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He certainly doesn't appear to be a model citizen, and this appears to be a classic example of how not to interact with the po po.

No joke. I don't know who to cheer for, the JBT that investigated him for absolutely nothing, or him for being such a jerk. His dad needed to teach him some manners.
 

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Bonus footage of bodycam video of Arbery arrested for stealing a 65 inch TV from Walmart

Arbery was arrested. The Daily Beast, which reviewed the court files, has confirmed that Arbery was convicted of this "theft by shoplifting" charge

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-shooting-of-ahmaud-arbery-an-unarmed-black-man-is-roiling-georgia

This arrest violated Arbery's probation on this earlier gun possession conviction:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/


Just a “jogger” doing his “jogger thing”

And none of that makes any difference in this case. How many times do we have to say that? His past is moot when it comes to his interaction with the McMichaels. Arbery is not on trial here, the McMichaels are. And unless anyone can find evidence that they saw him commit a felony, they were in the wrong and committed a felony themselves and the end result was a man died. Had they not tried to play cop, Arbery would still be alive. Point blank, end of story. Had they been police officers trying to stop and question him, then that would be a whole different story. But no matter what they thought, they were not the police.

Even hard core criminals can be victims. There is no legal definition that states to be a victim you have to have never done anything wrong. And that is the point many in here can not wrap their head around. You are so used to seeing cases like this where the police have tried to legally stop someone for questioning and the race baiters come out of the woodwork when the perp fights back and is killed. That is NOT the case here.
 

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And none of that makes any difference in this case. How many times do we have to say that? His past is moot when it comes to his interaction with the McMichaels. Arbery is not on trial here, the McMichaels are. And unless anyone can find evidence that they saw him commit a felony, they were in the wrong and committed a felony themselves and the end result was a man died. Had they not tried to play cop, Arbery would still be alive. Point blank, end of story. Had they been police officers trying to stop and question him, then that would be a whole different story. But no matter what they thought, they were not the police.

Even hard core criminals can be victims. There is no legal definition that states to be a victim you have to have never done anything wrong. And that is the point many in here can not wrap their head around. You are so used to seeing cases like this where the police have tried to legally stop someone for questioning and the race baiters come out of the woodwork when the perp fights back and is killed. That is NOT the case here.


Did you sit on the jury?

I'm just curious how you know the totality of what went on.
 
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Did you sit on the jury?

I'm just curious how you know the totality of what went on.

The original police report quoted the elder McMichael as saying "we suspected him of being behind the break ins that have been happening in the neighborhood". That is not grounds for a C/A. They have to have either witnessed a felony or have direct knowledge of the felony committed. Without a clear legal reason to execute a C/A, they had no right to try and detain Arbery. Doing so was criminal false imprisonment. Doing that act while armed and displaying the firearm raises that act to a felony.

Was Arbery a church going, walk an old lady across the street, law abiding person? Probably not. Does that raise the suspicion as to why he entered that house? Of course. But none of that changes the fact that Arbery did not commit trespass, and even IF he did it was only to the level of a misdemeanor. None of which gave the McMichaels the right to try and detain him. And unless there is any proof that they did have knowledge of Arbery committing a felony, the McMichaels are directly responsible for Arbery's death.
 

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The original police report quoted the elder McMichael as saying "we suspected him of being behind the break ins that have been happening in the neighborhood". That is not grounds for a C/A. They have to have either witnessed a felony or have direct knowledge of the felony committed. Without a clear legal reason to execute a C/A, they had no right to try and detain Arbery. Doing so was criminal false imprisonment. Doing that act while armed and displaying the firearm raises that act to a felony.

Was Arbery a church going, walk an old lady across the street, law abiding person? Probably not. Does that raise the suspicion as to why he entered that house? Of course. But none of that changes the fact that Arbery did not commit trespass, and even IF he did it was only to the level of a misdemeanor. None of which gave the McMichaels the right to try and detain him. And unless there is any proof that they did have knowledge of Arbery committing a felony, the McMichaels are directly responsible for Arbery's death.



You should call all the lawyers involved and tell them to just dispense with the trial and the accused’s due process. They can just take them straight to death row. Since you’ve got it all nailed down so neatly.
 

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explain how he defended himself?
By going after the people who were trying to stop him without legal justification. I'll grant that the way he did it was not too awfully bright, but Arbery had every right to do what he did after he was confronted by the McMichaels. They did not see or have direct knowledge of Arbery doing anything except possibly trespassing so they had no legal basis for their trying to detain him.

Where am I wrong here?
 

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You should call all the lawyers involved and tell them to just dispense with the trial and the accused’s due process. They can just take them straight to death row. Since you’ve got it all nailed down so neatly.

And you are not doing the same thing by bring in information that has no bearing on this case? You are saying the McMichael's were justified in killing Arbery because he has a criminal history? Oh they are just some good ole boys taking out the trash right? If not, then why bring up his history when it has 0 to do with this case? I listed the facts as we know them right now. Based on those facts the McMichaels were in the wrong. And, again, if more information is brought up in trial that shows the McMichaels had direct knowledge or witnessed Arbery commit a felony, then they should be cleared. Regardless, anything that happened in Arbery's past is just that, the past. It has no bearing on what happened the day he was killed. Had this been a case where a cop tried to stop him, then yes, that past would be relevant as he has a history of resisting arrest. The difference is the cop has the legal right to stop and question him against his will, a regular citizen does not.
 
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