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<blockquote data-quote="Brandi" data-source="post: 2208565" data-attributes="member: 24446"><p>I found it strange that he says he's using an AR with a 1/12 rifling for his test considering it's not even relevant to today's 1/7, 1/8, 1/9 twist rifles. What I'd rather see is a comparison between non +P 9mm vs non +P .45acp. since most people I know don't run +P. I also believe that bullet diameter becomes less important as velocity increases which explains the results of these tests and why testing normal pressure ammo is more important. I'm betting there's a point where increased size/mass begins to make more difference as velocity drops. I also believe that larger bullets do perform better in cases of marginal hits where the energy released is much lower.</p><p></p><p>As for suggesting a shotgun as someones first home defense gun I say nope. Sure a shotgun is much more powerful but it's also a long gun which is a liability inside a structure due to the ease in which you can be disarmed or disabled moving through doorways and around corners even using the best methods known. It's also heavy, has very limited capacity, and much more difficult to reload. From average person with little to no experience to the most well trained LEO or soldier the handgun is always the best choice (while very short barrel carbines may also be good choices except they are illegal for most people).</p><p></p><p>It's pretty interesting to see these tests although I really would like to see someone actually use a stimulant human instead of designing their own. I know they are expensive though, I saw them used on a recent Mythbuster episode where they needed the most realistic stimulant possible. The reason why I say that is because the sheer number of people both LEO and military who contradict many of these tests leads me to believe there are just too many more factors involved when a bullet strikes an actual person than blocks of gelatin, regardless of how close they mimic static human tissue, can show. Maybe this guy can get a hold the full body sims or we could always ask for volunteers?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandi, post: 2208565, member: 24446"] I found it strange that he says he's using an AR with a 1/12 rifling for his test considering it's not even relevant to today's 1/7, 1/8, 1/9 twist rifles. What I'd rather see is a comparison between non +P 9mm vs non +P .45acp. since most people I know don't run +P. I also believe that bullet diameter becomes less important as velocity increases which explains the results of these tests and why testing normal pressure ammo is more important. I'm betting there's a point where increased size/mass begins to make more difference as velocity drops. I also believe that larger bullets do perform better in cases of marginal hits where the energy released is much lower. As for suggesting a shotgun as someones first home defense gun I say nope. Sure a shotgun is much more powerful but it's also a long gun which is a liability inside a structure due to the ease in which you can be disarmed or disabled moving through doorways and around corners even using the best methods known. It's also heavy, has very limited capacity, and much more difficult to reload. From average person with little to no experience to the most well trained LEO or soldier the handgun is always the best choice (while very short barrel carbines may also be good choices except they are illegal for most people). It's pretty interesting to see these tests although I really would like to see someone actually use a stimulant human instead of designing their own. I know they are expensive though, I saw them used on a recent Mythbuster episode where they needed the most realistic stimulant possible. The reason why I say that is because the sheer number of people both LEO and military who contradict many of these tests leads me to believe there are just too many more factors involved when a bullet strikes an actual person than blocks of gelatin, regardless of how close they mimic static human tissue, can show. Maybe this guy can get a hold the full body sims or we could always ask for volunteers? [/QUOTE]
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