An idea for people on OSA with a lot of land

yukonjack

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I've seen a number of those books - and a lot of them are chock full of total ********.

But people will believe what they want to believe.

It’s an absolutely legit reference. I’m guessing you’ve never been in the middle of nowhere and had a medical emergency arise and folks were looking at you expecting you to do something. I’ve been there. A seven hour drive over soggy tundra to get back to civilization. No radio connections. Satellite phones and cell phones had not been invented. You gotta do something. I did.

We aren’t talking about practicing medicine cause you’re too cheap to go to a real doctor. This is dealing with medical emergencies when there is either a breakdown in the system or when you have no access to the system.

Knowledge is power. If you wanna survive a breakdown in the system then you need to change your corporate mindset and prepare for that.
All kinds of training exists to prepare you for that possibility.

https://www.wildmed.com/wilderness-medical-courses/
 

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It’s an absolutely legit reference. I’m guessing you’ve never been in the middle of nowhere and had a medical emergency arise and folks were looking at you expecting you to do something. I’ve been there. A seven hour drive over soggy tundra to get back to civilization. No radio connections. Satellite phones and cell phones had not been invented. You gotta do something. I did.

We aren’t talking about practicing medicine cause you’re too cheap to go to a real doctor. This is dealing with medical emergencies when there is either a breakdown in the system or when you have no access to the system.

Knowledge is power. If you wanna survive a breakdown in the system then you need to change your corporate mindset and prepare for that.
All kinds of training exists to prepare you for that possibility.

https://www.wildmed.com/wilderness-medical-courses/

I don't think you know **** about me, but you go on making judgements about my "corporate mindset". Have fun with that, bub.
 

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I've seen upclose and personal the mess people make when they think they are smart enough to play veterinarian on an animal. I can only imagine what it's like when they play doctor on a person.
The extent of my medical knowledge is New York CPR. You know, where you see someone laying on the ground clutching their chest, so you shout "get up before you ****in' die!"
 

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I agree, the idea you can keep people from hunting squirrels on your 500 acres when they are starving is much harder unless you have a group. My plan involves being near public land so there are no land disputes that come into play. You still run the risk of bad people out in the bush wanting to rob you or claiming they now own the land, but there is a LOT of public land available and as long as a group hasn't setup there, you should be able to have your few acres nearby and venture out to take game when necessary.
It's totally obvious you're not aware of how things work in nature when it comes to hunting for food which is made even more difficult when hunting for a group. A couple of squirrels that you mentioned will feed exactly four people for one day. Maybe a day or two longer boiling the bones for marrow soup.
When you eliminate squirrels(or any game) in your area, there are no breeders to generate more, so one has to keep venturing further and further out.
Your solution of being near public land is also troubling. 95.5% of the land in Oklahoma is privately owned. 4.5% is owned by the public.
The people going to public lands would quickly decimate any game, so where would the small compound go to obtain protein?
Infrastructure would have to be key. Fresh clean water, and sanitation would be primary concerns. You can't have a compound of folks going out into the woods to take care of #2. It would get messy getting out of the compound to hunt after a while not to say the smell would be overwhelming. Who is going to make toilet paper?
Most streams and some wells are not sanitary and need chlorination or boiling to make them safe to drink. SHTF, there is no chlorine. It's been done in the past but if your water supply comes from other areas that have game and livestock pooping and peeing in the water, your source becomes contaminated. Ponds in the summer time are bacteria havens with the rotting biomass of moss and wild animals/birds/fish pooping in them.
The bigger the population the larger the infrastructure would have to be.
If it's a wooded area that is good for game, it would not be good for growing crops that require sunlight. Removing stumps from a cleared woodlot is not an easy task to create fields.
Who is providing the equipment to create food from the fields? People with sticks making holes and dropping seeds into them like the old days? Hoeing to remove the weeds.
What equipment needed to break the ground originally before planting? No fuel, so who is a good enough craftsman to build a wood plow? Who is going to pull it? Put a couple of folks in a harness and let them go for it?
The time from planting to harvest can be many months. What is going to supplement the diet in that time frame?
Who is going to be harvesting firewood for the winter and what are they going to be using to do that since there is no fuel and no mechanical means of getting that firewood? Once the dead wood is taken from the woods, where do you go to get more? It can't be public lands because the public is there to get theirs before you are.
The Pilgrims actually tried the socialism method when landing on this country. They quickly discovered that there were some to work and some to sponge off the work of others. It was a failed utopia, and created the basis for where we should be at today. Work for yourself and fawk the sponges of society.
There are so many scenarios about this SHTF situation that people don't consider when dreaming about actually doing this.

There are people all over the world that have actually done that and are still doing it but the life is hard and the life span is short.
It's amazing to me the methods I put a question mark on above about infrastructure and people being creative in how they live day to day.
Typically they are nomadic because they have to follow the animal food sources in their movements and the climates that bring rains to fertile valleys in the growing seasons.
Little of our game is nomadic other than waterfowl and a few other specie though.
It's fun to think about this concept and the challenges that it would bring.
Hope I brought up some more item to consider.
 

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That is one of my mental exercises since I had a dream about it years ago. In today's world you would have to have the groundwork already laid and have as many different methods of survival that you can. A family or loner will be easy meat for the desperate or gangs. You need a strong enough group to defend yourselves. Hunting or farming alone will not keep you fed unless you have enough land and enough people to defend your herds and crops. Livestock thieves are plentiful even today.

You are going to need a mix of skills and the bodies to do all the task needed. Bartering with others outside the group will help if you can produce enough, or have skills to trade. Again as long as you can defend it.

To make it work in a real SHTF scenario you will need farmers, ranchers, medical, teachers, mechanics, carpenters, an electrician, welder and plumber would be nice too. You need to be able to process your meat, can your veggies, store your grain, heal your wounds and illnesses, teach your kids how to carry on and build or repair your home. All this is more than one person can do unless you intend to live like a mountain man and I say good luck with that.

If there ever is a SHTF time, wildlife will be decimated, right up until the time people are. Then the animals will start to recover. Many of them by feeding on the bodies of the dead people. And yes if it ever does happen, burning or burying the dead will become an important part of survival too especially your closest neighbors.

Since I know my dream of winning the lotto and my mental exercise will never come true, I figure if SHTF we will bunker down and defend what we have and pray we make it thru the first waves or riots, killing and looting. If I am still on O2 we are pretty much stuck here up until the power is gone them I become a statistic. Hopefully the wife can make it to the daughters house if she is still alive.
 

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the first three days will be critical . from lack of water many will become weak and either die or be killed prayed upon by the next level stronger. it is really a matter of calories spent to provide calories needed to survive. but reality this would be the absolute worst case scenario and isn't likely to happen except in localized cases. probably in reality some stronger power would come in with food and water,meds,shelter etc and the masses will just join up with them.
 

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...you will need farmers, ranchers, medical, teachers, mechanics, carpenters, an electrician, welder and plumber would be nice too. You need to be able to process your meat, can your veggies, store your own grain...

Fortunately, I have done and can still do every one of the things you listed. If lacking anything, the electrical stuff is what I’m least comfortable with.

I had a good friend ask if there is anything I cannot do? I said, “I’m sure there is, but I haven’t found it yet.” What I have found is that if I have the time and patience, I can figure it out and get it done.
 
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